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possible division alignment if ND/PSU were added
Jun 23, 2012, 3:09 PM
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I've never understood the whole Miami to north thing, but apparently there is something to it, plus it would give both divisions an inroad into Florida recruiting ground. Vatech seems to be the exact opposite, being one of the northernmost schools in the conference, seem to very much be against playing in a northern division. I, personally, have always been skeptical of all 4 nc schools in one division. So how about this alignment
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Miami
Nc state
Wake forest
Notre Dame
Penn st
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Boston college
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Florida st
Georgia tech
Clemson
Unc
Duke
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Maryland
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Re: possible division alignment if ND/PSU were added
Jun 23, 2012, 3:20 PM
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flip miami south and vatech north
got to give nd someone good to play
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Re: possible division alignment if ND/PSU were added
Jun 23, 2012, 3:33 PM
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why would PSU leave? Ever?
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PSU fans hate the big 10 and wanted to go to the acc years
Jun 23, 2012, 4:09 PM
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back but the acc turned them down. the ones who want to stay cite money not football. they are a northeast team stuck in a mid west league. BC Pitt Cuse Rutgers and Notre Dame are their traditional rivals.
lots of reasons they won't leave but those and some others are reasons they would.
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PSU fans do not hate the Big 10. And they certainly don't
Jun 23, 2012, 4:19 PM
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want to leave a football league for a basketball league. And no one in their right mind would take a 25% cut in pay. This is a FAIL.
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A post any hurt monkey could post. Fail ^^^^^Epic***
Jun 23, 2012, 4:28 PM
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Provide a link stating that Penn Staete fans hate the Big 10
Jun 23, 2012, 4:46 PM
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Then, I might believe you.
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What don't you provide a link? i didnt ask you into this
Jun 23, 2012, 5:01 PM
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conversation.
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If they truly hate the Big 10 and want out, THAT would be
Jun 23, 2012, 5:07 PM
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significant.
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I would love to get Penn St. into the ACC. But, that's a
Jun 23, 2012, 5:10 PM
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fantasy. I know I wouldn't take a 25% pay cut.
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Ok if you are really ready to have a discussion instead of
Jun 23, 2012, 5:25 PM
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sling mud then lets talk.
I don't really think PSU will ever come to the ACC. The admin and leadership like the Big Ten for a number of reasons. Money, the CIC, the TV exposure in new markets, etc.
from a football perspective a lot of fans (football) dislike the Big Ten. They are less accepted after all these years than Neb after one season.
Natural rivals are eastern teams because they are an eastern team. BC Cuse Pitt etc.
They were promised more eastern expansion or Notre Dame (another rival) when they joined. the Big ten dragged their feet and then added Neb to go to 12.
Fans know that ND plus PSU equals the same money in the ACC.
throw on top of that how the fans have been treated by the the big ten schools with the whole sandusky deal and a lot not all would like to move out. also, Paternos name was taken off the trophy. many (fans) have talked about going to a new league just for a fresh start
the rumors where so bad at one time PSU officials had to reiterate in interviews the satisfaction with the Big ten.
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PSU isn't going ANYWHERE
Jun 23, 2012, 5:29 PM
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they are going to try and survive the tidal wave of lawsuits about to come their way as a result of Sandusky. They don't have the time/energy to entertain moving anywhere right now. They are going to try and tread water for the next 5 yrs and hope they can move on.
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Re: Ok if you are really ready to have a discussion instead of
Jun 23, 2012, 5:36 PM
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I was not slinging mud. And when you say that you don't think Penn State will come to the ACC, that ends the discussion. You are right about that.
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actually the discussion was about why there is
Jun 23, 2012, 5:44 PM
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so much talk about PSU coming to the ACC. to which i replied that it has traction because of actual PSU fans dislike of the B10
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Re: actually the discussion was about why there is
Jun 23, 2012, 6:48 PM
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But there's no widespread pro-ACC sentiment among the Penn State fans.
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i didnt say they were cuddly with the acc i said they hated
Jun 23, 2012, 8:29 PM
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The big 10. The acc gives them an option
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Some probably do. But enough to convince a Penn State
Jun 23, 2012, 8:46 PM
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Administration happy with their Big 10 membership to take a cut in pay, not to mention leaving a conference where all but one of its members belongs to the prestigious academic research consortium? VERY unlikely.
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Jun 24, 2012, 4:24 AM
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Re: Link to one of the Discussions that started the most recent
Jun 23, 2012, 6:41 PM
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A "portion" of Penn State fans would support such a move. Now that's different from widespread support that I interpreted the earlier post. The money disadvantage going to the ACC was pointed out. Also the basketball-first philosophy of the ACC was pointed out as a con. In the final analysis, conference shifts are primarily about the money. Consequently, Penn State will never, never leave the Big 10 for the ACC. Ever!!!!
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ok so ive at least convinced you that a really really
Jun 23, 2012, 8:33 PM
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Tiny portion of Penn state fans not only are disgusted with the big 10 but disgusted enough to be in support of a move to the big 10. I'll consider that a success. 
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Jun 23, 2012, 8:47 PM
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Re: PSU fans hate the big 10 and wanted to go to the acc years
Jun 23, 2012, 4:23 PM
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I think Penn State would be a good fit for the ACC. (academically & geographically especially)
Notre Dame would bring an elite football program (although they haven't performed that way lately) but, I think they are a better fit for the Big 10. (based on geography)
The ACC should have added Penn State and West Virginia IMO. (and kept their eye on UCONN & Georgetown for future expansion)
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Re: PSU fans hate the big 10 and wanted to go to the acc years
Jun 23, 2012, 4:36 PM
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I partially agree with that. Yes they are a great fit academically. They would bring football money with them for sure. On the Geography part we tend to think in terms of North and South. One of the big reasons PSU does not like the big Ten is because they are stuck on the outskirts of the league. BC Pitt CUSE Rutgers are their natural rivals. They hate the fact that the closest away game is OSU.
the 10 year grant of rights and partnerships with BiG ten research hospitals are some big reasons they will stay put.
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Re: PSU fans hate the big 10 and wanted to go to the acc years
Jun 23, 2012, 4:27 PM
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I honestly couldn't see them leaving the big myself, but I have heard there were rumors of them not being happy. If that's the case swofford should be all over this (although I'm sure he's not), seeing how these are probably the only football oriented schools that would even remotely be a possibility. No other BIG school and certainly no SEC schools would be interested. This is his only shot.
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Re: PSU fans hate the big 10 and wanted to go to the acc years
Jun 23, 2012, 4:37 PM
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The NCAA needs to dissolve the current conferences, reorganize (based on geography) and get real about oversight/equality. College Athletics is currently blatantly corrupt IMO.
Allowing Notre Dame to have it's own TV contract with NBC, and now Texas it's own TV network puts other programs at a recruiting disadvantage. Both are directly opposed to the NCAA's mission of fairness & equality.
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The NCAA is like a enoch in a ##### house re: power over the
Jun 23, 2012, 4:50 PM
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schools. They have none.
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Penn State
Jun 23, 2012, 4:20 PM
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I doubt if Penn State would leave the B1G, but the ACC does have some advantages for them.
1. The ACC would give them exposure to the rich recruiting grounds in the states of Florida and Georgia. This is big.
2. Most Penn State alumni are on the East Coast, not the Midwest
3. ACC schools like Pitt, Syracuse, BC, and Maryland are closer to them than almost anyone in the B1G.
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This would make more sense to me:
Jun 23, 2012, 4:23 PM
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NORTH
Boston College
Maryland
Miami
Notre Dame
Penn State
Pitt
Syracuse
Virginia Tech
SOUTH
Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
North Carolina
NC State
Virginia
Wake Forest
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Re: This would make more sense to me:
Jun 23, 2012, 4:40 PM
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Yeah thats a lot better.
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Re: This would make more sense to me:
Jun 23, 2012, 4:42 PM
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If you're talking absolute geographic sense, then yes this makes more sense other than Miami in the north. That being said, I also have them in the north, but the same reason I would have them there is the same reason I would have vatech in the south. Vatech has been adamantly against being in a northern division(AKA old big east). Also, not quite as much national exposure for the south when half of your conference is in the same state which is the reason I would prefer splitting the north Carolina schools.
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Re: This would make more sense to me:
Jun 23, 2012, 5:18 PM
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Maybe a Pipe Dream but:
Pod 1: FSU Duke Pitt VPI
Pod 2: Clem Miami NCSU BC
Pod 3: PSU UNC UVA Cuse
Pod 4: Notre Dame Maryland GT Wake
Ill get into Sched later
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Re: This would make more sense to me:
Jun 23, 2012, 5:20 PM
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Swapping Wake and Duke should probably be a given. Wake should play FSU yearly they give them fits.
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the new old Big East, yes. Big East football used to be
Jun 23, 2012, 6:17 PM
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entertaining and nationally relevant.
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Let's invite Alabama, Auburn, Florida, UCLA, Southern Cal
Jun 23, 2012, 5:20 PM
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Michigan, Purdue, Utah, and Washington too.....probably about as likely to come as PSU.
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Re: Let's invite Alabama, Auburn, Florida, UCLA, Southern Cal
Jun 23, 2012, 5:21 PM
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PSU and Notre Dame probably not likely think it might be hard to get those others. "Wink"
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Let's don't stop there...let's invite the Dallas Cowboys
Jun 23, 2012, 5:24 PM
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and the NY Giants....maybe the NE Patriots...I'm sure they want to come while we're at it.
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Re: Let's don't stop there...let's invite the Dallas Cowboys
Jun 23, 2012, 5:27 PM
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If we invite them they will come.
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Re: I'm sure PSU is going to give up over $24M a year
Jun 23, 2012, 5:53 PM
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as in the above conversation. i don't think they will come but you would be subtracting a huge portion of that revenue in PSU and then adding it to the ACC. So its not exact apples to apples. but i agree they are not likely to leave the cash cow they have to chase the one they might get.
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Not only that but, the most recent Forbes analysis
Jun 23, 2012, 8:57 PM
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listed Penn State as the 3rd most athletic revenue-producing university in the nation. You know what they say about not fixing what's not broken?
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Re: possible division alignment if ND/PSU were added
Jun 23, 2012, 6:31 PM
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ND/PSU are added when monkeys fly outta my ###
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Trade 'ya a Duke for a NC State!!!!***
Jun 23, 2012, 8:42 PM
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