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Lot of talk about the offense using the whole field.
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Mar 29, 2023, 6:14 PM
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I read a lot of things on the internet, here and on other sights, that a big difference in the offense this year will be using the middle of the field in the passing game. I was frustrated with the offense last year, so I'm sure y'all were even moreso, with the seeming lack of passes between the hashmarks.
I know nothing in particular about Riley's offense. But, I will be shocked if it does not include a healthy dose of passes over the middle.
I've been watching football for a loooonnggg time. (That just means I'm old.) I've seen lots of different forms of "spread offense" including but not limited to,
1. Run and shoot
2. Air raid
3. Fun and gun (Spurrier at Florida)
4. Four wideouts (Bowden at FSU)
5. A different four wideouts (Briles at Baylor).
(Just a quick sidenote - Of all the offenses I have ever watched I enjoyed watching Baylor's offense under Art Briles more than any of the rest.
All of them have this in common: You spread the offense out so you can spread the defense out and make them cover THE ENTIRE field.
1. Inside runs, outside runs, misdirection runs.
2. Short passes in the flats, to the sideline, curls, over the middle, crossing routes.
3. Midrange passes to all areas of the field.
4. Deep passes to all areas of the field.
There is no point in spreading the offense out if the defense knows which parts of the field the ball is more likely to go to. It's not so much an offense of "out execute" the defense as it is "out athlete them."
And, when you do it up-tempo, you are more likely to catch the defense out of position making it much easier to get the ball to an athlete in space. (I think Chip Kelly at Oregon did this better than anybody else. Seemed like an awful lot of Oregon's big plays were the result of the defense being out of position when the ball was snapped.)
I'm not worried about Riley throwing the ball to the middle of the field more than once or twice a game. I'd be shocked if he doesn't.
1. Get the ball to an athlete in space and let him use his ability.
2. Find the mismatch and attack it.
3. The more space a defender has to defend, the more likely he is to make a mistake.
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Thx Coach bretfsu!
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Mar 29, 2023, 6:34 PM
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You & I could be great coaches imho IF they paid us in cash daily, gave us a soft lounge chair at the 50 yd sideline to recline in, an umbrella, fed us peanuts & lemon-aid and an electrified fog horn.
LOL~
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Re: Lot of talk about the offense using the whole field.
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Mar 29, 2023, 6:48 PM
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Good poast!
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Re: Lot of talk about the offense using the whole field.
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Mar 29, 2023, 7:41 PM
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I’m really excited to watch my tigers this year.
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Re: Lot of talk about the offense using the whole field.
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Mar 29, 2023, 8:02 PM
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bretfsu® I have heard GR refer to his offense as "The Dirt Raid"! Meaning; he likes inside zone runs.
You said you liked Baylors offense; Art Briles also took a lot of pride in his running offense. The highlights were the big plays; but during his time at Baylor(fact check this) they were top 5 in the nation in rushing "most years"! I heard a comment from him pretty much bragging about only the service academies had more rushing yards.
If you are running 4 different WR's who all have speed on vertical routes even though "It's a running play" the defense can never ever just drop a safety in the box. Unless you have 4 DB's you trust to cover world class speed WR's! Not many teams had that.
His WR's got a workout that's for sure; but because they ran it so well - it did create a lot of 1 on 1 opportunities.
Add in a QB who was fairly accurate and "BAM"!
I think that's more along the lines of what we are going to see GR run here.
He's already mentioned staying on the side of the field and being experts no matter how the defense adjust. Similar to Navy or Army who have seen every type of way to defend them and "almost instinctively" they know how to adjust to the most advantageous positioning or play based on how they are being defended.
It's just a spread concept with that same mindset going on. I.E. no matter what you do; we have an answer for it and "we have rep'd it a thousand and ten times" where as you have only done it this week in prep for us.
I like what I am hearing from the offensive folks in short. And, I like slash love your post. Some nice nostalgia!
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Re: Lot of talk about the offense using the whole field.
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Mar 29, 2023, 9:04 PM
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I think we are long overdue for a change in our broader philosophy on offense of who we were and what we want to do on the field.
Along with finding and establishing a better offensive identify, I’m hopeful we’ll find a way to run our system but still find ways to start attacking other teams weaknesses. Complete teams are rare and as a fan, I feel like we had our plays and we really didn’t alter it any to try to gain matchup advantages. If the other team loses a starting DB and carts out a true freshman as a replacement, we would never really change our plan to attack that potential weakness. Just keep doing our thing. I’m very much a fan of creating matchup problems and exploiting them, more so than we do this when it’s 3rd and 5.
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Re: Lot of talk about the offense using the whole field.
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Mar 29, 2023, 9:17 PM
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There was an article written last November in the Athletic that supports your perspective. Unfortunately the article is behind paywall. Otherwise, I would have posted the link.
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Re: Lot of talk about the offense using the whole field.
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Mar 29, 2023, 9:02 PM
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I read a lot of things on the internet, here and on other sights, that a big difference in the offense this year will be using the middle of the field in the passing game. I was frustrated with the offense last year, so I'm sure y'all were even moreso, with the seeming lack of passes between the hashmarks.
I know nothing in particular about Riley's offense. But, I will be shocked if it does not include a healthy dose of passes over the middle.
I've been watching football for a loooonnggg time. (That just means I'm old.) I've seen lots of different forms of "spread offense" including but not limited to,
1. Run and shoot
2. Air raid
3. Fun and gun (Spurrier at Florida)
4. Four wideouts (Bowden at FSU)
5. A different four wideouts (Briles at Baylor).
(Just a quick sidenote - Of all the offenses I have ever watched I enjoyed watching Baylor's offense under Art Briles more than any of the rest.
All of them have this in common: You spread the offense out so you can spread the defense out and make them cover THE ENTIRE field.
1. Inside runs, outside runs, misdirection runs.
2. Short passes in the flats, to the sideline, curls, over the middle, crossing routes.
3. Midrange passes to all areas of the field.
4. Deep passes to all areas of the field.
There is no point in spreading the offense out if the defense knows which parts of the field the ball is more likely to go to. It's not so much an offense of "out execute" the defense as it is "out athlete them."
And, when you do it up-tempo, you are more likely to catch the defense out of position making it much easier to get the ball to an athlete in space. (I think Chip Kelly at Oregon did this better than anybody else. Seemed like an awful lot of Oregon's big plays were the result of the defense being out of position when the ball was snapped.)
I'm not worried about Riley throwing the ball to the middle of the field more than once or twice a game. I'd be shocked if he doesn't.
1. Get the ball to an athlete in space and let him use his ability.
2. Find the mismatch and attack it.
3. The more space a defender has to defend, the more likely he is to make a mistake.
Here is my take...
If you have the right talent and discipline, you can run Paul Johnson's offensive scheme and win a National Championship.
One issue is most good talent is currently geared towards spread like offenses and the defensive side is "catching up".
I see styles will go in cycles in the long run.
Just my opinion.
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Note about the purpose of my post.
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Mar 29, 2023, 9:16 PM
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First and foremost I did not make the post to display my X and O expertise. Coaching DB's at the smallest level of HS competition, for a .500 team, is about my highest level of acumen.
The reason for my post is to try and lessen one fear the fans may have.
Lot of unknowns going into a season.
1. Injuries.
2. OL play, run and pass protection.
3. DB ability.
4. WR depth.
5. Is there a stud WR ready to have a super AA year.
6. How good will FSU be? (That's just a joke. Just wanted to see if anyone read this far. 😉🤦♂️)
But, one thing no one should be worrying about is whether or not Klubnick will be throwing the ball into the middle of the field.
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Re: Note about the purpose of my post.
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Mar 29, 2023, 9:51 PM
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Good stuff Bret.
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Re: Lot of talk about the offense using the whole field.
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Mar 29, 2023, 11:34 PM
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Couple of things from listening to K Richardson:
1. I cringe at what we had become from 2019 through 2022. We only took what the defense gave us which is such a loser mentality, especially considering they gave us the middle of the field and we never took it. You should impose your will on the defense no matter how they line up. Tony Elliott contaminated the scheme and Streeter continued it mostly. You could hear in Richardson’s comments he didn’t believe in what we ran last year.
2. You don’t necessarily have to have better athletes or get them in space. Just isolating a defender and running a crossing route that creates an angle he can’t cover is all it really takes. Slants and crossers will open up the running game and we will have many more chunk plays. Then we will hit a seam route (pretty sure they haven’t outlawed those but you wouldn’t know it from the last 4 years) and we will threaten defenses again. Cade has plenty of accuracy to keep the chain’s moving and to not miss the big play when it pops.
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Re: Lot of talk about the offense using the whole field.
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Mar 30, 2023, 2:50 AM
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I wish you could hear my sister talk about Clemson's offense for the past few years. Let's just say it wasn't pretty. I tried to remain optimistic but my optimism was typically squshed by the 3rd or 4th time the Tigs had the ball.
The biggest surprise to me has been that Riley's offense only requires learning 30 or so plays while the previous was more like 80. 80? Really? I thought we only had 3 plays.
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Re: Lot of talk about the offense using the whole field.
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Mar 30, 2023, 7:46 AM
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I think we did have 80 plays, but 56 of those were bubble screens.
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Re: Lot of talk about the offense using the whole field.
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Mar 30, 2023, 10:14 AM
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Or QB stumbles up the middle ..
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Re: Lot of talk about the offense using the whole field.
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Mar 30, 2023, 6:37 AM
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Good post. Spot on re: using the entire field. I sent a Wahoo friend of mine in VA a note last year in an attempt to prepare him for the doldrums of the Elliot offense at Virginia. He has already concurred that the Elliot philosophy is the worst he has ever seen, as players have been leaving in droves. Elliot & Streeter got into a rut at Clemson and went totally blind as to what they were doing. I think it even affected Dabo. I sincerely believe that the excitement and production generated by the Clemson offense this Fall will demonstrate just how bad it had become under Elliot & Streeter.
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