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Looks like Brownell is getting
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Dec 22, 2023, 7:24 PM
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this basketball thing figured out..... 
Either the pressure by Neff - or - the use of the portal - has provided the combination of talent and coaching that shows in this team.
This is a good basketball team - just would like to know what caused the turn-around.
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Re: Looks like Brownell is getting
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Dec 22, 2023, 7:27 PM
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Girrard was a big factor in the turn around..,I think
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Re: Looks like Brownell is getting
Dec 23, 2023, 4:42 PM
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I agree. If we win big this year I think he will be the key factor.
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Dec 22, 2023, 7:28 PM
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PJ Hall + JG3 = tenured leadership on the court. Been a while since CU had 2 players with that kind of BB IQ on the court and the same time.
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Re: Looks like Brownell is getting
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Dec 22, 2023, 7:39 PM
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So you think the difference is CBB? Hint: CBB is a good coach and we are now supporting him with staff, facilities and NIL.
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Re: Looks like Brownell is getting
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Dec 22, 2023, 7:57 PM
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Boom!
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Re: Looks like Brownell is getting
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Dec 23, 2023, 2:22 AM
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It took 14yrs and $163mil. I am super glad for success. I hope it continues after PJ.
I wonder what Dabo could do if we gave him that $163mil? I bet he would have made 10x more money for the university? Facts are facts.
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Re: Looks like Brownell is getting
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Dec 23, 2023, 2:29 AM
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It took 14yrs and $163mil. I am super glad for success. I hope it continues after PJ.
I wonder what Dabo could do if we gave him that $163mil? I bet he would have made 10x more money for the university? Facts are facts.
The ROI has always been higher for football at Clemson. The thing is if you want a winning basketball program, it cost money. We can either fund it and enjoy the success or accept an average team but it’s one or the other.
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Re: Looks like Brownell is getting
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Dec 23, 2023, 2:44 AM
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I agree! Dabo didn't get rich without an investment. Brad has been given top 10 investments in last 5yrs. I want him to be Coack K, but if we have more NIT losses, Creighton fiascos, what are excuses.
Our bball deserves to be a tournament team majority of the time. No more excuses.
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Re: Looks like Brownell is getting
Dec 23, 2023, 10:33 AM
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I agree! Dabo didn't get rich without an investment. Brad has been given top 10 investments in last 5yrs. I want him to be Coack K, but if we have more NIT losses, Creighton fiascos, what are excuses.
Our bball deserves to be a tournament team majority of the time. No more excuses.
Replacing our facility was a necessity, not an investment so we have not been top 10 but have improved. Coach K was great because Duke had a process in place, including shoe companies, which paid players before it was legal. Our bball team has never been in the tournament every year and every team has upsets.
I realized after I typed a response you must be a troll but here goes anyway
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Re: Looks like Brownell is getting
Dec 23, 2023, 11:56 AM
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A troll? C'mon man, you know I been around here long enough to not be trolling. Call me a coot, that makes you part of the family.
That said, I have never bashed Brownell as a person or Clemson mentor as I think he is a great leader of young men. But I definitely think he has had some horrible coaching mistakes and I was ready for a change last year. I know we have hired some great assistants and our team looks to be very solid. I hope we win it all this year but the reserved side of me still makes me speculative. My major concern is if we have a good year with PJ, what happens next year when we start all over again. CBB hasnt shown consistent play year over year but I hope he proves me wrong, that will make me happy!
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I can't believe
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Dec 23, 2023, 4:38 PM
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there is something that would make you happy.
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What caused it
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Dec 22, 2023, 11:51 PM
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Was hard work and Clemson Grit
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Re: What caused it
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Dec 23, 2023, 8:10 AM
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Or, just a group of good players coming together at one time. Nothing more. Brad is Brad, at best mediocre.
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Dec 23, 2023, 8:20 AM
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It's almost like brownell is a good coach, and when he has a veteran led group of well developed 3 and 4*s, we can compete with anybody.
The good news is his best class (that is on campus to date are only sophomores. Scheif has another year, and we currently have the 17th best recruiting class coming in. Sorry to break it to you, but we should be good for a few more years! That's what investing in facilities and assistants can do.
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Brownell is one of the best in the country
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Some of you people need to give it a rest and admit. Clemson has a solid coach and a solid basketball program.
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Dec 23, 2023, 12:33 AM
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We have a veteran team with a very good bench. Im not sure brownell "figured anything out". The more talent he has, the better we will perform. It aint rocket science.
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True in many ways, but ....
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Dec 23, 2023, 11:30 AM
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a basketball coach can screw up a good team, he can mess up the chemistry, destroy confidence, not get them in shape, weak on drills, and bad on scheming... i have seen this done on many levels of bball , from rec league to high school to travel ball to college....
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Re: Looks like Brownell is getting
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Dec 23, 2023, 2:48 AM
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What impresses me most is the development of Hall and Wiggins.
Specifically Wiggins. He’s a naturally decent scorer, but has obviously improved and has helped us in clutch situations like being down against USUCK at home and igniting the comeback.
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Re: Looks like Brownell is getting
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Dec 23, 2023, 3:01 AM
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We have a huge upgrade in our asst coaches. Investigate if you want but we have good asst coaches.
It is just like football, hopefully we see the same! Jk will be mad!
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Re: Looks like Brownell is getting
Dec 23, 2023, 6:20 AM
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We certainly have an upgrade in coaches but the guy coaching the bigs the last couple of years is Bender who’s been on CBB’s staff a long time. He also coaches the offense.
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The night is young - give it some more time - check back 30Jan24***
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Its not pressure by Neff, but support from Neff.
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Dec 23, 2023, 7:53 AM
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I can’t tell you how important it was for Neff to approve an increased budget for assistants soon after he became AD. The approval for a new basketball facility is big as well.
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Are you one of Brownell's assistants?***
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Dec 23, 2023, 10:28 AM
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Re: Looks like Brownell is getting
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Dec 23, 2023, 8:02 AM
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Happy for the success, but I want to see multiple years in a row. It seems every few years he puts together a tournament team, but is unable to maintain that level.
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I dont see it like that. He is still the same mediocre coach, but good players
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Dec 23, 2023, 8:07 AM
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I call him the cicada coach, every 13 years they show up, make noise and disappear for another 13 years.
If Brad did not get hit by lightning, read a book on coaching basketball or get hit by a coconut - then he did not change. When looking at who someone is, you don’t look at just their highs, nor lows - you look at their total work product. We know who Brad is and where he will go over time.
We can simply enjoy the team and PJ. Because soon enough Brads averages will return.
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Re: Looks like Brownell is getting
Dec 23, 2023, 9:20 AM
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Just keep praying for our kids' ankles and knees to stay healthy...
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Re: Looks like Brownell is getting
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Dec 23, 2023, 10:43 AM
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The old saying “one robin doth not make a spring” applies to CBB this year. Show me several years in the top 20 and the play offs and i might become a believer.
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Re: Looks like Brownell is getting
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Dec 23, 2023, 10:46 AM
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I think the big thing he needs to prove is that he can build momentum and string together multiple good years where we make the tourney. And certainly not flip this year. You hate for him to be under pressure but he has made his bed.
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Re: Looks like Brownell is getting
Dec 23, 2023, 11:12 AM
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Always looks good in December.
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3 senior starters and the best roster of his career.
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Dec 23, 2023, 1:04 PM
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He HAS to show something. Zero excuses.
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And he built that roster
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Some of you people need to buy it and start giving CBB some credit. He knows what he is doing. Some of y'all just sit around waiting on the next loss so you can #####.
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Dec 23, 2023, 10:57 PM
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Re: Looks like Brownell is getting
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Dec 23, 2023, 1:35 PM
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If a coach hangs around long enough, he’ll eventually bump into a good team. For Brownell looks like it’s once every seven years.
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Re: Looks like Brownell is getting
Dec 24, 2023, 12:06 AM
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"Bump into a good team" smh.
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Hard working, superb work recruiting, excellent coaching
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Dec 23, 2023, 4:32 PM
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That's what caused it. How do you have a turnaround after a 23-win season? Just asking.
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Re: Hard working, superb work recruiting, excellent coaching
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His 13 year record speaks for itself…loudly.
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There is no time like the present...freedom is...
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Dec 23, 2023, 9:52 PM
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letting go of the past and the future. Enjoy it NOW!
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