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just curious
Feb 10, 2020, 4:08 PM
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What does everyone think our final record will be in basketball? I think we go 7-13 in ACC and lose the ACCT opener which should put us around 13-18. Does he get another year just because he beat Duke and UNC?
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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I think he gets another year...
Feb 10, 2020, 4:12 PM
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next year needs to be considerably better.
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CU Medallion [58448]
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NCAA or bust next year. NIT not good enough. A few
Feb 10, 2020, 4:33 PM
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more wins not good enough.
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Heisman Winner [105574]
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I actually disagree here. If you're bringing CBB back
Feb 10, 2020, 4:51 PM
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next year due to the recruiting class he has coming in and the momentum he is gaining with recruiting, significant progress next year should be enough to bring him back again, even if he doesn't make the tournament. Give him 2 years with that class to see the results, which would be a third year with the current freshmen.
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CU Medallion [58448]
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Again, that's keeping the standard pretty low, and that's
Feb 10, 2020, 6:35 PM
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a big part of the problem now. We don't even expect to be good in Brownell's 10th and 11th year. At some point, we have to expect more, and I don't buy JK's argument that his first 7 years just don't count. Plus, we shouldn't need a total rebuild following every good season we have. We are acting as if "hey, we had a good year, we can't expect too have another one for 3-4 more years". We should be in the NCAA tournament most years, and any coach we have should be aware of that expectation. We need to be bringing in good players every year.
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Heisman Winner [105574]
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No, my standards are higher than that.
Feb 10, 2020, 7:26 PM
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I didn’t think he should’ve been brought back this year. Or several years ago. I’m just saying if the reason he’s being brought back next year is because he has good recruits coming in then he should get 2 years to coach them. Otherwise, why wait?
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CU Medallion [58448]
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Ahhhhhhh! I see now.***
Feb 10, 2020, 7:37 PM
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All-In [44055]
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Very valid point about possibly giving him two more years.
Feb 10, 2020, 8:57 PM
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Assuming we show significant improvement next year, of course.
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Oculus Spirit [96873]
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I'm glad someone is getting it...
Feb 10, 2020, 4:47 PM
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wait, what are we talking about again?
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CU Medallion [64593]
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So why does he get another year?
Feb 10, 2020, 4:51 PM
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Were the previous ten not enough to adequately assess his coaching/recruiting capabilities.
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CU Medallion [57205]
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Re: So why does he get another year?
Feb 10, 2020, 5:00 PM
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He’s had some bad luck. That’s all. It’ll turn around. Just watch.
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Heisman Winner [140604]
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I think he'll get another year due to the fact that...
Feb 10, 2020, 5:04 PM
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1) This was viewed as a rebuilding year.
2) He beat UNC at UNC. Even though it's a down year for them, we had never done that before.
3) He beat Duke.
4) The incoming class is better than most we've had.
Most of the other reasons I've seen tossed around are just excuses.
I hope he does great, but I suspect he'll be just good enough for us to be having the same "Has he done enough to keep his job" conversation again next year.
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Orange Blooded [2336]
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Re: ^ This guy gets it.***
Feb 10, 2020, 4:52 PM
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Clemson needs to be better in basketball. We are not competitive. We need to do whatever it takes to achieve a better program.
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CU Guru [1893]
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Which means getting rid of Brownell.
Feb 10, 2020, 5:09 PM
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10 years is more than enough to see that he is only an average coach in all respects. Waiting another year or two is only going to add more years to Clemson's average basketball legacy. Does anyone here seriously think Clemson will make the NIT? I only see 2 more wins this season, at best.
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CU Medallion [57205]
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Re: Which means getting rid of Brownell.
Feb 10, 2020, 5:17 PM
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What’s a couple more years amongst friends?
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All-In [44055]
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You view Clemson's basketball legacy as average?
Feb 10, 2020, 8:41 PM
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We are arguably the worst basketball program in ACC history.
Given that, it's no wonder you are so disappointed by Brownell's tenure, even though it is way above our historical performance.
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Re: You view Clemson's basketball legacy as average?
Feb 10, 2020, 8:53 PM
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Totally disagree with that. Re-read our history. Much better. Two worst coaches last 50 years is shyatt first Brad second. Slightly better than shiatt.
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All-In [44055]
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It's funny you consider Brad one of our worst coaches
Feb 10, 2020, 8:55 PM
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when he is our all-time winningest coach.
Slightly better than Shyatt? LOL.
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Heisman Winner [140604]
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I'd say that's exactly what we are...
Feb 11, 2020, 10:40 AM
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Clemson Basketball All Time Record: 1329-1307-1, a .504 winning percentage.
Average: adj.
2. Being intermediate between extremes, as on a scale: a movie of average length; a player of average ability.
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All-In [44055]
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The discussion seemed to be in relation to other ACC teams.
Feb 11, 2020, 12:25 PM
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We are way below average historically among our ACC peers.
If we are talking about overall record, then yes, we are just about average with a .504 winning percentage. Keep in mind that many of those wins came against weak non-conference opponents.
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CU Medallion [64593]
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Therein lies part of the issue...
Feb 10, 2020, 5:10 PM
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Would the University be prepared to do that (whatever it takes to achieve a better program).
For the most part, when it comes to hiring coaches, that certainly hasn't been the approach. Rather than identifying the best possible coach available and then paying whatever it takes to get them here, the approach has been to establish a budget and then try to find someone who will accept the position for the money Clemson is willing to pay.
If that's going to be the approach if Brownell is fired, we might as well retain him because the results are likely going to be more of the same.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results - Albert Einstein.
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Orange Blooded [4036]
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I see people now wanting to give BB - 2 more years.
Feb 10, 2020, 9:20 PM
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The logic behind retaining for 2 more years::
Clemson beat UNC at CH
Clemson beat Duke at home
Recruiting is supposedly better.
BB loves Clemson, is a great guy, etc.
Logic that says don’t retain:
11-12 record this year.
5-8 record in historically bad ACC. - if this were a “normal” year - what would our record be?
BB has been at Clemson for 10 years and not recruited well. What makes anyone think that the good recruiting is anything other than an anomaly? If it goes right back to demonstrated history - another two years are wasted.
UNC win is great, but clearly the win is nothing special. Simply got the monkey off Clemson.
BB cannot seem to coach offense.
Team is often not exciting to watch .
History tells us that after 10 years, we know what we have, what they are capable of, and what we should expect. When we get off tigernet - do we really think that BB will suddenly figured it out (after 10 years)- and get Clemson in the top 5 consistently in the ACC?
We all would like to think so - but after 10 years - I believe we are chasing fools gold.
As they say “hope is not a strategy”!
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Orange Blooded [4754]
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Re: just curious
Feb 10, 2020, 11:27 PM
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Brad will return next year but not with an increase to his buyout or an extension. 2020-2021 is time to make the NCAA at a minimum, no excuses period.
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Yes.
Feb 11, 2020, 11:12 AM
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Unfortunately.
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