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Jimmy Patronis (Ron DeSantis) letter to Boo Corrigan.
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Jimmy Patronis (Ron DeSantis) letter to Boo Corrigan.

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Dec 6, 2023, 12:03 PM
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Jimmy Patronis, chief financial officer in Florida, wrote a letter to Boo Corrigan. It is nothing more than political grandstanding. It will have zero effect on anything.

Below is my cynical response (or maybe a combination of cynicism and satire) to that letter.

Here is a link to the entire letter.

https://myfloridacfo.com/news/pressreleases/press-release-details/2023/12/05/cfo-patronis-to-the-college-football-playoff-committee--release-your-voting-records

Here is the quote I want to discuss.

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This decision will no doubt have lasting impacts on college football and the sports world for generations to come. This decision also forever altered a program's ability to recruit, the economic output of the university and surrounding community, and most importantly, the future of these players and coaches.
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Here is what an honest response from Boo, and the committee would be.

Mr. Patronis,

That was exactly our intent. We made the decision precisely because we wanted to forever change college football. We wanted to alter programs' ability to recruit. We wanted to alter the economic output of universities. We wanted impact the future of the players and coaches at those universities.

We want to make sure that everyone understands that if the university is not in the SEC or B1G then they will not be on an equal financial level with those two conferences. We want players to understand that if they want to compete for a national championship and, even more importantly, maximize their income through NIL while in college that they must attend a university in one of those two conferences. And, yes, we want coaches (like Mike Norvell and Dabo Swinney) to understand that the only way they can win a national championship is to coach at a school in one of those two conferences. We want those two conferences to pay coaches more, pay players more, have far more money to spend on facilities, staff, and infrastructure than any other conference.

Thank you for affirming that we were successful in our decision as it will help us move more quickly to achieving our goal.

As for me, personally, you might ask why I, as the AD of a university not in one of those two conferences, would support such a decision when it assuredly hurts my university and impacts my personal income. I'll ask you this question - Where do you think I'll be employed one year from now?

Boo Corrigan.


Message was edited by: bretfsu®


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Re: Jimmy Patronis (Ron DeSantis) letter to Boo Corrigan.

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Dec 6, 2023, 12:40 PM
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I love to hate FSU as our closest rival in the conference, but what was done to your team is unacceptable. Keep your head up Bret better days ahead for your team. I know you have probably heard that a lot, but there it is.

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I will believe better days are ahead when...

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Dec 6, 2023, 5:29 PM
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.... an announcement is made that FSU is leaving the ACC and heading to whatever the P2 is calling itself.

Until then, I will not be convinced.

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Re: Jimmy Patronis (Ron DeSantis) letter to Boo Corrigan.


Dec 6, 2023, 5:36 PM
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Bret, you have lost your mind.

FSU is not a victim.

FSU is not a top 4 team in 2023.

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Everyone gets the multi-angled, subjective reason.


Dec 6, 2023, 6:00 PM
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That doesn’t mean it’s logical or right.

Yet again, the beef is with a broken system that should’ve never let this happen. The words “eye test” are COMPLETELY immaterial between two similar athletic programs.

The system is a beauty contest but playoffs are supposed to eliminate that.

The playoff committee basically said the other 21 guys on FSU are incapable of winning without their QB. We can all speculate whatever we want, but have you ever seen upsets at any level of playoffs?

You earn your way in and then go from there. The bs eye test became the number one metric this year, and champions shouldn’t be decided by speculation.

The 12 team deal will reduce the affects, but then words “eye test” must immediately be eliminated from objective matters.

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The eye test by the committee would have given us...

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Dec 6, 2023, 7:47 PM
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....UGA, Ohio State and Oregon.

All of them were ranked better than the opponent who beat them. But, those three got in because the committee was willing to let results on the field overcome their erroneous eye test.

Folks, I know this is hard to make anyone believe. But if a 13-0 Washington team had been left out, I'd have the same position. If a 13-0 Kansas State or Arizona or Clemson or Duke had been left out, I'd have the same position.

To me this is not about FSU and Alabama.

This is about the SEC and B1G becoming the P2 and every other conference now on the outside looking in.

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The eye test was pretty simple for me .


Dec 6, 2023, 8:45 PM [ in reply to Everyone gets the multi-angled, subjective reason. ]
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My eyes watched Alabama lose 34 to 24 to Texas on their home field with their starting quarterback healthy .

My eyes saw Alabama play three other out of conference games to prove themselves, and all three of those games were to cupcakes.

My eyes saw Alabama play a bunch of bottomed dwelling, SEC teams, and then a few ranked teams, including Georgia.

Unfortunately, my eyes saw only a few real games and one of those they lost. The eye test they’re out.

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Re: Jimmy Patronis (Ron DeSantis) letter to Boo Corrigan.


Dec 7, 2023, 8:47 AM [ in reply to Re: Jimmy Patronis (Ron DeSantis) letter to Boo Corrigan. ]
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FSU didn't designate themselves as top 4, the cfp did.

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Re: Jimmy Patronis (Ron DeSantis) letter to Boo Corrigan.


Dec 6, 2023, 5:49 PM
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If the committee weren't full of spineless SEC shills, they would just admit what you are saying and honestly, id have more respect for their honesty.... unfortunately it won't happen

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I guess I'll keep posting this again and again until one of you has the facts


Dec 6, 2023, 6:45 PM
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to tell everyone exactly "who" on the CFP Committee is an SEC shill?

Here are the current CFP 13 Committee members:

Chis Ault - Retired head coach at Nevada where he spent most of his career
Mitch Barnhart - AD at Kentucky
Boo Corrigan - AD NC State
Chet Gladchuk - AD Navy Academy
Jim Gobe - Retired head coach of Wake Forest, Baylor and numerous other non SEC/Big10 schools
Mark Harlan - AD Utah
Warde Manuel - AD Michigan
David Sayler - AD Miami of Ohio
Will Shields - retired football player - Pro Football Hall of Fame player who graduated from Nebraska in 1993
Gene Taylor - AD Kansas State
Joe Taylor - Former head coach of numerous HBC institutions
Rod West - Group President, Utility Operations for Entergy Corporation with degrees from Notre Dame and Tulane
Kelly Whiteside - Professor, Montclair State University with degrees from Columbia and Rutgers


So.... which of these folks are corrupt and shills for the SEC?? Jim Grobe?? Joe Taylor?? Time to drop the idiotic conspiracy claims and face the reality - these folks made a judgement call that you don't like, will never agree with and instead of acting like a thinking adult you just throw aspersions at these people with ZERO proof.

But if you want some factual data here you go:



Boo Corrigan stated that the CFP Committee ultimately judged that the injury to Jordan Travis resulted in the FSU offense, and as a result, the FSU team as not being the same high performer as before the Travis injury. They didn't make this up out of thin air - they looked at the facts. Anyone who looks at the before and after comparison of FSU's offense above cannot dispute the fact that FSUs total offense is 52% less productive without Travis and their passing game is 67% less productive. FSUs total offense over the last two games without Travis would rate their offense as the worst total offense in college football. Furthermore - their production took a nose dive against teams that are nowhere near the caliber of the other playoff contenders. Those are the facts the CFP Committee could not and should not ignore.

You may disagree with CFP Committee's final assessment and there is certainly an argument to be made that a subjective/predictive assessment based on a key injury (which is allowed in the CFP Selection Protocols), even one made on real data, should not override the entirety of FSU's undefeated record.

However - to cast aspersions at the members of CFP Committee by accusing them of being "shills" or crooked because they made an informed judgement call that is opposite of your opinion is among the worst kind of character assassination and shows a complete lack of critical thinking and intellectual honesty.

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Re: I guess I'll keep posting this againa and again until one of you has the facts

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Dec 6, 2023, 6:56 PM
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🤣🤣 this guy thinks that bc so and so was an AD at NC state or the GM of some sports team or CEO of an energy company they can't be bought in order to push an agenda.

I think It would be harder to find a large group of individuals that are put in charge of voting on things for the people under them that is not corrupted by money than it would to find the opposite

If you truly believe that these AD's and CEO's have not had their ears whispered in by the big money who issues all the tv contracts for advertising and ratings then you are a naive individual and I hope one day you see the world for what it is

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Dec 6, 2023, 7:14 PM
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you are a naive individual and I hope one day you see the world for what it is

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I guess you subscribe to the Lavrentiy Beria school of guilt...


Dec 6, 2023, 7:31 PM [ in reply to Re: I guess I'll keep posting this againa and again until one of you has the facts ]
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"Show me the man and I'll show you the crime" eh...Comrade?

I've given you the facts. You just refuse to accept them because it is easier for you to make up, out of whole cloth, some conspiracy that fits your opinion.

I notice you did not bother to comment on anything dealing with the facts of FSU's nosedive in offensive performance nor did you address specifically who on the CFP Committee is on the take and from who. Where's your facts and evidence? You have none and now it's not enough to throw false accusations at the CFP Committee - you feel like you must belittle me as an unworldly naive person who doesn't see the world for what it is...

I have no idea how old you are. I'm a little younger than brettfsu but I'm no spring chicken. I've traveled the world quite bit in my time. I served 27 years on active duty in the military and spent time in quite a bit of the worst shidholes on this planet. I see the world EXACTLY how it is because a few times in my life - my very survival required it.

So no, I will not bow to your petty personal attack as I see the world quite clearly. I also believe in the US Constitutional way of life where accusations must be proven with facts and evidence as opposed to the Beria school of guilt. I believe that intellectual honesty, facts, and truth matter which seems to be in very short supply these days...

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Dec 6, 2023, 7:09 PM [ in reply to I guess I'll keep posting this again and again until one of you has the facts ]
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Tabby ..... you are indeed correct, but in the past there seem to be some distinction between who were the "best four" and who may have "deserved" to be there, or basically a combination of the best two or three and the most deserving one or two. If that is not the case, and the committee is going to try and eliminate any prejudice or perceived prejudice, then why can't a computer program determine which are the best four teams in the country. Certainly with AI, it could not only factor in a QB being unavailable, bit could also calculate the availability of each position player and even their back-up. I am not arguing that FSU should or should not be in the final four, but just some of the desparity that I have seen from year to year.

PS:

I have long said that the only important teams selected are the best 2 teams. The rest are irrlevant and even much more so when we go to 12 teams. Can a #12 knock off a #1 on a given day? Absolutely. Are they going to continue to know off the rest of their opponents? No, not if the committeee did their job!

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Every system we have tried, including the current one, has been imperfect


Dec 6, 2023, 7:58 PM
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Even if we went to a complete computer model, which was a large component of the old BCS system, - it will still deliver a result that is influenced at some point by subjectivity.

The problem for FBS football is that there is ultimately no way to truly determine which Conference of the 10 (5 Power 5 and 5 Group of 5) are better than any other. Without total head-to-head results it always involves some level of subjectivity by the CFP Committee.

The NFL solves this subjectivity problem by having 2 Conferences (AFC and NFC) divided into 4 Divisions where every Division Champion is determined by on-field results (i.e. win/losses) and play/eliminate one another until each NFL Conference has an overall Champion who meet in the Superbowl. That system works great and without controversy because it is all settled on the field.

IMO the only way to avoid this problem in FBS is to have something akin to the NFL. Until we get rid of the current Conference structures, every FBS Conference Champion (sorry Notre Dame - there are no more "independents" in my world) competes in a 10 team playoff. If you don't win your conference - TOUGH you don't get to compete in the CFP. This would eliminate most of what irritates people about the CFP Committee where they try and determine if a 12-1 team in one conference is actually better than a 12-1 team in another conference which almost always involves some level of subjectivity.

In my scheme of only Conference Champs in the CFP - the CFP Committee's only duty is ranking the Conference Champs from 1 to 10 for bracketing/matchup purposes only. The CFP has no say as to who is in or who is out of the playoffs - that is all determined on the field through the internal Conference Champ games. Teams play through the brackets until a National Champion is crowned. I think this would be the fairest way of doing things and would remove almost all of the controversy we have today.

Having said that - I do think next years 12 team CFP playoff is a huge step in the right direction and will at least give each Power Conference an automatic CFP spot as well as the highest ranking Group of 5...

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If Boo is telling the truth...

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Dec 6, 2023, 7:53 PM [ in reply to I guess I'll keep posting this again and again until one of you has the facts ]
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....then why was FSU ranked above UGA or Ohio State or Oregon or Penn State or Mizzou? The eye test would tell you without Travis they would be underdogs to all of them.

Heck, UGA is a 14 point favorite over FSU. But, Boo is trying to say that FSU is better than UGA according to the committee.

This was about making sure the SEC got a team in.

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I think they are ranked where they are because as Boo stated - the decision


Dec 6, 2023, 8:23 PM
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regarding FSU was not unanimous. There were at least some number of CFP Committee members who felt that FSUs undefeated record WAS worthy of them being ranked #4 regardless of Travis' injury. It just happens that those members ranking FSU as the number 4 team were not in the majority.

Considering that some CFP Committee members continued to vote FSU #4, I don't find it hard to see why they ultimately settled at #5.

Bret - I would be livid if this happened to Clemson so I don't blame FSU or their fans for being upset and angry. I can't imagine how devastating this is to the FSU team and fan base. The 4 team CFP system is flawed as were all the National Champ systems before it. At some point - all of these systems have had to rely on subjectivity which is a 50/50 proposition at best and FSU caught the worst end of that proposition than anyone in recent memory.

I recommend reading the following article on the FSU vote. I know it is by ESPN and some will immediately discount it based on that alone but I believe the article is genuine. Ultimately the CFP Committee vote was above board and probably the toughest they have ever had of the CFP era. That doesn't make it any easier to swallow for FSU and their fans but I just don't believe the CFP Committee folks acted in any way, shape, or form unethically or with malice.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39041535/college-football-playoff-committee-selection-process-florida-state-alabama-texas

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Re: I think they are ranked where they are because as Boo stated - the decision


Dec 7, 2023, 11:50 AM
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If you don’t believe ESPNs narratives and the platform they provided the SEC to lobby didn’t play a role in the CFP rankings I’ve got ocean front property in Seneca to sell you. Those members don’t understand these teams, much less watch all the games. They look at box scores and listen to the ESPN pundits. No matter the “guidelines”, they pick and chose which ones to keep repeating based on the narrative. Did anyone see Herb and Fowler’s reaction to the bama miracle? Not shock, pure joy like they were either fans or had $ on the line.

Before that play, bama had a “0.1%” chance of winning that game. If there is a 0.1% chance lawyers and politicians can get us out of the GOR, let them cook.

Brando goes hard on the ESPN x CFP here, worth a listen: https://youtu.be/L_t-NrlKtjs?si=347FAD8EX7zUk-58

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