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If the "First-hand Account" by the son of Lukas0722
Sep 6, 2012, 8:44 AM
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is accurate--and I have no reason to doubt it is--Dabo should be having a chat with the dean. Clearly, CK needs a talking to as well, but what college professor thinks it's a good idea to address an incident like the one described by calling the kid out in class the next day? I mean, HOLY MOSES! Obviously, CK has a short fuse. So, naturally, the brainiac prof strikes a match and lights said fuse. Is he intentionally trying to incite CK so he can screw with the football program? Just what is this DA's agenda? I'd be in the dean's office wanting a word.
I'd also have CK in my office. But that is a different issue entirely.
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^^^^THIS^^^^
Sep 6, 2012, 8:50 AM
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the prof should have never mentioned anything about the situation to the class or even in public. It was completely uncalled for and unprofessional. If he wanted to talk to CK he should have pulled him aside or talked to him after class.
CK needs his butt chewed on by Dabo and he needs to see some extra conditioning after practice til he learns how to act in public.
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Re: ^^^^THIS^^^^
Sep 6, 2012, 8:58 AM
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Or maybe ^^^he's^^^ just afraid of Chad.
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According to him it wasn't even the next day
Sep 6, 2012, 9:01 AM
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It was 5 days later.
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not to mention his age..
Sep 6, 2012, 9:06 AM
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when i was 17-18 thats the last thing i wanted was to be called out in front of a bunch of my peers.best way to handle kids like that is through a private heart to heart.
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the gift of conspiracy theories is strong with this one
Sep 6, 2012, 9:12 AM
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please man... you weren't there so you don't know if CK was still being boisterous and acting like an idiot. After what i've heard from this kid he's a idiot that needs his tale kicked a couple of times to get his head screwed on straight. He still thinks he's the man like he was in HighSchool. Anyone threatening to fight outside the classroom should be dealt with. This ain't the parking lot... go to class and shut up CK.
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no one is saying the kid isnt a hot head..
Sep 6, 2012, 9:15 AM
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but that doesnt change the fact that what the prof did was wrong if this story is true..its like a cop arresting a moron.sure you can arrest the person.but if he is giving no reason a cop has no right to throw the guy onto the ground and smash his face in.
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Like I said, "If the First-hand Account" is accurate . . .
Sep 6, 2012, 9:24 AM
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According to my reading comprehension, the student who witnessed it all did not include a recounting of CK instigating the lecture from the prof. As I read it, the prof, in his questionable wisdom, decided to bring it up in a public way so that he could say what he wanted to CK without having to confront him in private. Makes me think the pansy prof was too afraid of Chad to discuss it with him without doing it in front of a group of witnesses.
I agree, CK has anger management issues. That is not the point of my OP.
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Re: Like I said, "If the First-hand Account" is accurate . . .
Sep 6, 2012, 10:32 AM
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Looks like Chad called himself out!!! No where did the OP say the prof. mentioned Chad by name
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Re: Like I said, "If the First-hand Account" is accurate . . .
Sep 6, 2012, 10:44 AM
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And yet the eyewitness said the prof "called CK out" in front of the class. While no names were called, the prof's intention was obvious to the witness. My guess is, it was obvious to everyone present. Still, that's not my point. The OP was all about intentionally lighting a short fuse. What do you expect to happen? And that leads me to wonder about the prof's motives/agenda. Does he dislike CK and tried to provoke him so he could make trouble for him? Heck, it may be that I wouldn't like CK either. That wouldn't excuse unprofessional behavior from me.
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Why are we treating
Sep 6, 2012, 9:23 AM
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Chad Kelly like a child and a victim. He's a grown man that showed his @ss in an academic building. He needs to toughen up and shut up. Good for the professor for having a teachable moment to TEACH these kids about acceptable social behavior.
You freaking liberal hippies make me sick.
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And YES
Sep 6, 2012, 9:25 AM
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I get the irony of calling him a man and then using the word "kids"
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Reading comprehension not a strong suit or just lazy? You
Sep 6, 2012, 9:33 AM
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obviously haven't read what was posted or missed it. One thing that hasn't even been addressed is what was done to instigate the original argument. That hasn't been discussed or posted to my knowledge and yet all the 'Dudley Do-Rights' start piling on from the "authority" pulpit. Go kick the dog.
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Oh I fully understand your enabling reaction
Sep 6, 2012, 9:36 AM
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enablers of soft kids created the persona Chad Kelly displays.
Now go buy your kids some beer so you'll have the approval of their friends.
Stinkin' Lazy Subaru driving, life is good tshirt wearing, chaco sandal loving, granola munchin, deodorant hating HIPPIE
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Thus my comment about "authority" pulpit. I was working
Sep 6, 2012, 9:52 AM
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construction in the summer before I even graduated HS and too young to go behind the fence. Nuke jobs, paper mills, chemical plants, and building houses for 25+ years. I've been driving 4x4 trucks and work vans exclusively the entire time. I built the house I live in and I don't owe anybody anything. I do where T-shirts because of the kind of work I do and I'd be more than happy to have you try and keep up with me for a week on the job. This "HIPPIE" will work you till you drop.
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Sounds like you're
Sep 6, 2012, 10:02 AM
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convincing yourself of your toughness. I find that people who brag about it that much...are all hat and no cowboy.
I have no doubt I'd keep up with you, pops.
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I KNOW what I've done and it involves most all aspects of
Sep 6, 2012, 10:09 AM
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construction. I don't have to convince myself. The "pops" part is right, but that doesn't change anything. Heck, I'll even bring all the tools. It might take 3-4 van loads, but there's years of accumulation.
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Ok...stop...my sides hurt
Sep 6, 2012, 10:12 AM
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watching you melt down is too funny.
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I don't melt but I do burn. Wait till you see MY garage.***
Sep 6, 2012, 10:16 AM
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Re: I don't melt but I do burn. Wait till you see MY garage.***
Sep 6, 2012, 10:21 AM
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LOL! Well played.
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I think Chad needs more people calling him out, not less***
Sep 6, 2012, 9:35 AM
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In a cowardly fashion in front of a group of his peers?
Sep 6, 2012, 9:52 AM
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Just sayin'.
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Yes. He craves attention......well, he got it***
Sep 6, 2012, 10:03 AM
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Re: If the "First-hand Account" by the son of Lukas0722
Sep 6, 2012, 9:38 AM
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I think many are too quick to condemn the professor. I have no idea of the context of the whole thing, but the student who witnessed it said the professor was complimentary of the way the baseball player handled it. So it doesn't sound like the prof is out to get athletes. Also, it seems Dabo downplayed it a litlle saying it was two stuendents yelling at each other and no big deal. According to the student who witnessed it, Chad also yelled at the professor. Perhaps the prof did handle it all wrong. For those who are teachers on any level however, you know the discipline problems in many classrooms today. I'm willing to cut the prof some sslack on what I have heard of this so far.
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Re: If the "First-hand Account" by the son of Lukas0722
Sep 6, 2012, 9:57 AM
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"Perhaps the prof did handle it all wrong."
Ya think? That was the point of my OP. Knowing CK has a short fuse, why in the world would you call him out after the fact in manner in which the prof did? If you felt you needed to interject your wisdom, why not do it in a private conversation? According to the eyewitness account, the prof acted in a cowardly fashion and instigated another incident needlessly. A mature adult should have been able to ask CK for a word in private and then expressed his concerns without evoking an emotional outburst.
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You would think a SOCIOLOGY Professor would know that.***
Sep 6, 2012, 10:03 AM
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Re: You would think a SOCIOLOGY Professor would know that.***
Sep 6, 2012, 10:05 AM
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Yeah, go figure.
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ok
Sep 6, 2012, 10:00 AM
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i would be shocked if there aren't guidelines/rules in place on clemson's campus to address student "distress".
there are on most if not every college campus; can you imagine why?
the ones i've seen are 2 fold. if danger is imminent, call the po po, if it's not, contact the proper authority.
do you want the po po involved? do you want this on some admin's desk? or do you want the professor to address this in open air without calling anyone out.
and apparently, no one was called out. http://www.tigernet.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=12709520
these aren't children anymore.
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It's the professors job to educate.
Sep 6, 2012, 10:00 AM
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It was a sociology class. You know, study of society and the interaction of humans with each other. How do we know the professor wasn't using the interaction as example in class?
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Yeah, let's make an example out of this guy. Right.***
Sep 6, 2012, 10:12 AM
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Re: Yeah, let's make an example out of this guy. Right.***
Sep 6, 2012, 10:14 AM
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He didn't make an example of him. Chad opened his mouth and let everyone know who the professor was talking about.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
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Solo has a bleeding heart
Sep 6, 2012, 10:17 AM
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probably from all the years of being Clint Eastwood and John Wayne rolled into one.
This guy wants to hug seriel killers because nobody understands them.
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Verbal argument --> Serial killer. Bit of a stretch, eh?***
Sep 6, 2012, 10:27 AM
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Re: Yeah, let's make an example out of this guy. Right.***
Sep 6, 2012, 10:19 AM
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Doesn't really apply here because saying that CK started it is pure speculation. Regardless, making our better players look like idiots in the middle of class doesn't really seem like a recipe for winning football.
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So he looked great by yelling in the hall and getting in
Sep 6, 2012, 10:23 AM
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a fight?
Probably not his fault. Vagification of America.....you're making it worse.
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Re: So he looked great by yelling in the hall and getting in
Sep 6, 2012, 10:32 AM
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No, i just like to win. Grow up.
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Me too....so let's recruit players that are TOUGH
Sep 6, 2012, 10:33 AM
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not full of swag.
Liberal pinko hippies.
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Re: Me too....so let's recruit players that are TOUGH
Sep 6, 2012, 10:36 AM
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Ck wasn't afraid to fight spencer region, so i wouldn't exactly call him a p####. Stupid and headstrong, sure, but not a p####.
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Resurrecting a 5-day-old verbal argument in front of a
Sep 6, 2012, 10:23 AM
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class who was probably already familiar with the incident is basically using his position as a "bully' pulpit. Whatever happened, the professor was wrong.
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We should all just hold hands and sing We Are the World
Sep 6, 2012, 10:25 AM
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enabling bunch of liberal hippies.
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You should go talk to the sociology professor about these
Sep 6, 2012, 10:30 AM
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repressed anxieties you feel for "hippies". Come out of the closet.
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Disagree. Clemson does NOT have a problem with faculty
Sep 6, 2012, 10:11 AM
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harrassing the players and Dabo does NOT need to create one. You do not want Dabo reporting to higher authorities to "tell" on professors. That will sour relations very quickly. More importantly, the professor is not Dabo's concern. Chad is. This incident (again, assuming it has been accurately portrayed) is an opportunity for Dabo to explain just exactly what is expected in terms of public conduct of all Clemson Tigers, particularly quarterbacks and future potential leaders of the team.
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I agree with Wookie.***
Sep 6, 2012, 10:15 AM
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Re: Disagree. Clemson does NOT have a problem with faculty
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I agree that there are persistent issues with CK that must be/probably are being addressed. Nevertheless, you have to wonder what in the world the prof was thinking. Surely you would agree that, according to the eyewitness account, the situation was handled very poorly, especially since the eyewitness said the original incident occurred "after class" and "outside the building." For the prof to revisit the situation days later and criticize CK in front of the class while praising the other student athlete is incendiary. Why in the world would he do that?
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I do agree that it does not sound like the ideal way for the
Sep 6, 2012, 10:51 AM
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professor to have handled it. Of course, we know almost nothing about the "incident" in question between the baseball player and Chad, so maybe the public reprimand was called for. Hard to imagine, though.
My post only concerns how Dabo should handle the situation.
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Re: Disagree. Clemson does NOT have a problem with faculty
Sep 6, 2012, 10:21 AM
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Disagree. At real football schools, the academic types are made to understand what brings home the bacon. If the prof doesn't like it, perhaps he should try Northwestern or Vanderbilt.
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Re: If the "First-hand Account" by the son of Lukas0722
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Sounds to me that Kelly has been creating an atmosphere of silliness that goes beyond the argument with some baseball player. I don't fault the professor unless he personally called out Kelly's name. Even then, no staff member or student at Clemson needs to put up with Kelly's hoodie wearin', Vanilla Ice-ish juvenile buttswag.
If the young man can't get over his kiddie crap and grow up, he has no business attending THE University in South Carolina.
Hopefully he'll wise up and mature, but I have my doubts. If he doesn't, I just hope Dabo or the school launches his ridiculous tail somewhere else before he jacks up team chemistry.
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Re: If the "First-hand Account" by the son of Lukas0722
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+1 I agree that CK has issues that need to be resolved before it's too late. Like other posters have pointed out, where there's smoke there's fire. CK has made too many "headlines" for my liking. That is a separate matter, however.
I still question the prof's methods. They don't seem quite professional to me.
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You are very wrong.
Sep 6, 2012, 10:50 AM
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If account is accurate:
CK showed his #### after class on Friday for all to see. Prof brought it up as a teachable moment the next time the class met with CK there. (I'm guessing CK wasn't in class on Labor Day or something happened on Wed. that brought the subject up again.)
The fact that CK laid his head on his desk and went to sleep tells a lot alot about the kid as well.
If you do anything to the Prof over this - we'll have a Stephen Garcia on OUR hands.
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Re: You are very wrong.
Sep 6, 2012, 10:56 AM
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You don't use a player's personal issues as "teachable leasons." that is f###### retarded.
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Teachable moment of how to act in public and in class.***
Sep 6, 2012, 10:58 AM
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Re: You are very wrong.
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I'm in full agreement with your assessment of CK's behavior. I said as much in the OP. Why do you goad him in front of the class, though? Surely he expected to get a big reaction from him. Perhaps that was his intention?
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Obviously, neither of us know. But I'm imagining
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that CK started something after class on Friday - so the prof had no chance to say anything on Friday.
Monday was Labor Day - either no class or CK wasn't there (kids who sleep in class often find excuses to miss them).
So on Wed (5 days later, but the first time the class was all together) - the prof made it a point to say the behavior displayed on Friday would not be tolerated. CK took it from there...
You know he got kicked off his high school team, right? I wouldn't jump so quickly to blame the prof.
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Re: Obviously, neither of us know. But I'm imagining
Sep 6, 2012, 11:10 AM
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And you either don't understand the point my OP or you're choosing to ignore it. I'll put it another way. There may very well have been an issue that needed to be addressed with Chad. He maybe needed a warning about his behavior. I would like to know why the prof chose to handle it in such an incendiary way. The eyewitness stated emphatically that the prof called Chad out in front of the class and also praised the maturity of the baseball player. Do you really think the prof wasn't trying to evoke another emotional outburst from Chad? That is unprofessional, IMO, and I would address it if I were Dabo. I surely would be addressing the situation with Chad, too.
My point, in case you are still unclear about it, is that the prof seems to be just as immature as Chad.
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I disagree
Sep 6, 2012, 11:19 AM
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it's early in the semester and he (sadly) has to deal with a disciplinary issue. Chad loves the spot light...though the professor never named him.
The professor had a chance to establish to everyone what is acceptable.
Where do you people work? Where I work praise is given and criticism as well. Should Dabo pull Chad aside in practice when he throws a pick or chew his butt out in the open?
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Does it bother anyone else....
Sep 6, 2012, 12:44 PM
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that Dabo underplayed this?
If I'm Dabo, I bring Chad into my office and put my foot up his butt. But that's just me....
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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are you sure he didn't?***
Sep 6, 2012, 12:56 PM
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No, I know what you're saying - I just disagree with it.
Sep 6, 2012, 12:57 PM
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If I were a prof and I saw someone trying to start a fight (I don't care who it is) - I would call him out in front of the class. Like this:
Hey Chad - I saw you try to start a fight with that other fellow on Friday. You can rest assured that I will not tolerate that from you or anyone else in this class.
A mature kid with respect for authority would have apologized at that point - an immature kid with no respect for authority would have mouthed back (which is what happened - apparently).
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Who started what? I don't think anyone but the 2 involved
Sep 6, 2012, 1:36 PM
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even know.
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Poor choice of words on my part I guess. CK was involved
Sep 6, 2012, 2:26 PM
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in an altercation after his class - the next time CK was in his class he told him not to let it happen again.
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He wasn't goading CK, he was setting boundries for the
Sep 6, 2012, 12:37 PM
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entire class to go by as well. What is Chad going to do when Bart Wright, the rest of the media, the coaches and the fans are on his ###? This is a good opportunity to see how he takes the heat. He failed miserably! Chad has chosen the public eye, he must also deal with it in such a manner as to not throw Clemson under the bus! Now the media knows he will blow his cool, some such as Kroncoot will use that against him one day. He has got to grow a thicker skin!
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Are you serious?
Sep 6, 2012, 12:58 PM
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You know as much about this professor as you do about what Kelley was bitching about. Naturally you go conspiracy theory and assume the professor is trying to mess with the football program. Give me a break.
Swag Kelly needs to grow a pair and quit being an idiot. End of story.
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Re: Are you serious?
Sep 6, 2012, 1:29 PM
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What I "know" is what I read from an eyewitness. In case you didn't see it, take a look:
http://www.tigernet.com/forums/thread.jspa?forumID=1&threadID=1138019&messageID=12709333#12709333
As for my "conspiracy theory," I did pose it in the form of a question and followed up with another question: Just what is this DA's agenda?
My point is clear: the prof threw a match on the tinder. According to the eyewitness the prof saw the altercation outside of class on Friday. Why didn't he intervene then? Why wait until he can lecture CK in front of the class?
At best, the prof is a coward. At worst he has an agenda. Either way, his handling of the situation is very unprofessional, IMO.
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Did you ever stop to think that maybe he tried to get there
Sep 6, 2012, 1:57 PM
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but didn't make it in time? Or just assume he didn't try to take action? And, if Kelly didn't wear his feelings on his sleeve and get into ANOTHER confrontation, the prof would not have had to address the situation. Chad forced the action the prof took, be they right or wrong!
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Legend [18133]
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Re: Did you ever stop to think that maybe he tried to get there
Sep 6, 2012, 2:13 PM
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Hmmmm. We could not have read the eyewitness account any differently. The eyewitness says the prof saw the altercation on Friday. Whether he tried to intervene, I don't know. I'll give you that possibility. What happened in the classroom on Wed., however, was the prof's doing. CK reacted, but it was the prof who stirred the pot.
If he was going to address the situation, it should have been in private. Doing it the way he did was stupid.
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All-TigerNet [13888]
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So are you upset with Brent V for screaming
Sep 6, 2012, 2:27 PM
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at players on tv?
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Legend [18133]
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I certainly WAS, because those two things are the same,
Sep 6, 2012, 2:37 PM
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right? Amirite?
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Stupid image won't load, but I'll tell you what, Dexter, I made YOU look foolish! 
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They're more similar than you think
Sep 6, 2012, 2:45 PM
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both men are teachers. Part of Coach V's public display is to send the message to the other players. Part of the Professor's display is to send a message to the other students. Both are trying to correct a negative behavior.
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Sorry, Buzz, but
Sep 6, 2012, 2:50 PM
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Agree but it takes two to have conflict.
Sep 6, 2012, 1:35 PM
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I think it could have been handled better by all. I also think perpetuating the topic makes us all look like a bunch of 14 yr old girls.
Whoever called/texted the cops need to be charged with wrongly dialing/texting 911. It ain't something till someone makes it something, Dabo, paraphrased.
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Orange Blooded [4504]
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Could not agree more. Clemson fans fan the rumor mills
Sep 6, 2012, 2:29 PM
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about Clemson more than the coots do to Clemson on their board I'm sure.
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COLLEGE: A three-year starter at strong safety for Clemson, finished his career with 234 tackles and 11 interceptions.
