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If 11&3 ain`t elite
Jan 3, 2023, 4:45 PM
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If eleven wins ain`t elite status then every belly aching wannabe Tiger is crazy! Just USC hen scratching crazy!
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If "11-3" is all that it takes to be Elite
Jan 3, 2023, 4:47 PM
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then so is Tulane, UTSA, Penn State, USC and Troy,
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Re: If "11-3" is all that it takes to be Elite
Jan 3, 2023, 4:55 PM
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Facts
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Very good, yes...Elite, no.***
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Jan 3, 2023, 4:49 PM
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we were 0-3 vs OOC P5 teams.....first time since 1996
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Jan 3, 2023, 4:49 PM
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that ain't "ELITE"
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would 9-3 be elite back in the day?***
Jan 3, 2023, 4:58 PM
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Re: If 11&3 ain`t elite
Jan 3, 2023, 4:59 PM
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It's not elite, hate to tell yah.
0-3 against OOC P5 teams this year. Offense was ugly to watch for the majority of the year. Defensive inconsistencies. Lack of identity on the offense. Majority of the games were dog fights except against really bad teams and NC State.
If it wasn't for the ACC Championship, I'd tell you we were just a very average team this year honestly.
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Re: If 11&3 ain`t elite
Jan 3, 2023, 5:01 PM
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It is not elite. 14-1, 15-0 or soon possibly 15-1 or 16-0 is elite. Georgia is elite right now. TCU is trying to be.
You need cfp bowl wins and natty chances to appear elite. 11-3 gets you a swag bag and 400 pounds of meat at the orange bowl.
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I dont think that word means what you think it means
Jan 3, 2023, 5:03 PM
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e·lite
/iˈlēt,āˈlēt/
a select group that is superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group
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Re: If 11&3 ain`t elite
Jan 3, 2023, 5:21 PM
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I have a hard time even knowing exactly what the true definition of the elite is these days. Are you talking about the elite programs throughout the history of college football or do we define it more recently as the playoff era?
For argument's sake, let's call it the playoff era and look at teams that have been to multiple playoffs:
1. Alabama (7)
2. Clemson (6)
3. Ohio State (5)
4. Oklahoma (4)
5. Georgia (3)
6. Notre Dame (2)
No other program has been more than once. So, for the playoff era to date, I would say Clemson can still be considered "elite" for the era. However, I think in order to remain elite you have to also continue to be consistent. I think if we miss the playoffs again next year then it might be hard to maintain our elite status based on the trend. Regardless, we remain one of the top programs in college football but we have to start making some noise again in the post-season if we want to continue to be viewed that way.
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He was specifically referencing this years team
Jan 3, 2023, 5:47 PM
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Aint it was most definitely not elite.
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It isn’t elite when you look at who we played and how we performed.***
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Jan 3, 2023, 5:22 PM
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Re: It isn’t elite when you look at who we played and how we performed.***
Jan 3, 2023, 5:25 PM
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It is all about data points and how narrow you make the window. I defined it over the playoff era, not a couple of seasons. I mean OK certainly did not have an elite year by any stretch but they have been good over the playoff era.
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Re: It isn’t elite when you look at who we played and how we performed.***
Jan 3, 2023, 5:45 PM
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Let me put it another way, and again, I am talking about the playoff era and not just the last 2 seasons. Counting this year there have been 9 playoffs so 9x4 = 36 playoff slots over the last 9 years. The six teams I mentioned have accounted for 27 of those slots, or 75% of the playoff slots over the last 9 years. Again, sample size and time matter. If you only want to look at the last 2 years then no, Clemson isn't considered elite because we weren't in the playoffs but that is also not statistically significant for the era because the sample size is too small since it only considers 2 of the 9 years. Consider all 9 years of the playoffs and you have a statistically significant measure of who the elite teams were in the playoff era, which is the measure I used (see the first paragraph in my original response).
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Re: It isn’t elite when you look at who we played and how we performed.***
Jan 3, 2023, 8:14 PM
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You are arguing with the “I want it all and I want it now” crowd. Their sample size is usually just the last game but in this case 2 of the last 3 games fit their agenda so they’ll draw their conclusions over that span.
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We have missed the playoffs two years in a row.
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Jan 3, 2023, 8:22 PM
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Some people here are arguing that we are elite based on what we did at least several years ago, while ignoring the two most recent years. That’s illogical.
How many players currently on our team were key players for our last playoff appearance in 2020?
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Your data show that we were elite but no longer are.
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Jan 3, 2023, 8:20 PM
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Missing the playoffs two years in a row and finishing 10th-15th isn’t elite.
The only reason you’re going back years to include all of the “playoff era” is because it makes us look better. That’s fine if the question is, who has been elite in the playoff era?
But that’s not the question. The question is, are we elite?
And the answer is no.
But I know some of you aren’t to the point of being able to accept that yet.
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One Top 25 Win (FSU) has never been Elite***
Jan 3, 2023, 8:09 PM
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Losing to USuC isn’t elite***
Jan 3, 2023, 8:41 PM
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Re: If 11&3 ain`t elite
Jan 3, 2023, 8:42 PM
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If you think losing to unranked coots is elite then you gots issues
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