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Id like to call our our fans this morning
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Was absolutely embarrassing looking around a half empty stadium yesterday in the 4th quarter
Somewhere along the way we picked up a bunch of soft bandwagon fans
What a joke
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Funny because I remember sitting through some
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of those Tommy West performances too there were all 0's on the clock. That was rough.
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Id like to call out our players.
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Somewhere along the way we picked up some soft under-talented players.
Did anyone asked Dabo if he wanted to apologize the 2016 team for his asinine comparison to this team??….
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I think he was talking to you, dumbo....
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Alex, "Fans with bad attitudes with no self-awareness" for $1000.
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Mikey & Stanley...2 pees in a sunshine pumping pod......
Oct 9, 2023, 11:41 AM
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keep your heads buried!
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Re: Id like to call out our players.
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Oct 8, 2023, 10:18 AM
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Yea because the 2016 team didn’t struggle with Troy? 2016 team had poor offense of showings against auburn, Troy, nc state. They also loss a game to Pitt. To call players soft for winning a close game is soft. Winning close games is what built the 2016 team. They knew how to win close games. This current team is trying to figure that out. If they do they can be dangerous.
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Re: Id like to call out our players.
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I will grant you that we had some close games in 2016. Out of 15 games, 8 were decided by 7 pts or less. However, we did beat 5 ranked teams and our average margin of victory for the season was 23 points. There is NO comparison between that team and this team. Not even close...
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Games Clemson won. Troy was 10-2 or something.
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Oct 8, 2023, 3:40 PM
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This Clemson team has 2 losses.
Not even close to the same.
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Re: Games Clemson won. Troy was 10-2 or something.
Oct 8, 2023, 8:30 PM
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2 - 1 = 1, that's the difference
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Um, no dude
Oct 9, 2023, 6:34 AM
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Yea because the 2016 team didn’t struggle with Troy? 2016 team had poor offense of showings against auburn, Troy, nc state. They also loss a game to Pitt. To call players soft for winning a close game is soft. Winning close games is what built the 2016 team. They knew how to win close games. This current team is trying to figure that out. If they do they can be dangerous.
This team just isn't good and loaded with star talent. That's why tj parker and brown have shined. None of the upperclassmen are really dominant at either position. DE and WR. which used to be the strength of our team.
It's been a slow transition to seeing us suck at both positions other than a few 18 yr olds that see softness playing in front of them and to be honest I think brown wouldn't have started at all this year had Cole Turner stayed healthy
Also this team hasn't upset anyone in a good while. Meanwhile weve been upset at home by a team we'd beaten badly for almost a decade. Same with fsu but they were favored.
And here's some more for you. I can't imagine being the squad that gave up 2 winning streaks against rivals that extended to almost 20 games. And to make it better they beat us at HOME! oh and it's the same two teams that used COVID as a ln excuse to get out of another butt kicking.
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Re: Um, no dude
Oct 9, 2023, 11:58 AM
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I swear, I wish some of you just found another team to pull for and go say dumb #### on their message board.
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Re: Id like to call out our players.
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Yea because the 2016 team didn’t struggle with Troy? 2016 team had poor offense of showings against auburn, Troy, nc state. They also loss a game to Pitt. To call players soft for winning a close game is soft. Winning close games is what built the 2016 team. They knew how to win close games. This current team is trying to figure that out. If they do they can be dangerous.
Finally, someone with some sense! My goodness.
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Re: Id like to call out our players.
Oct 8, 2023, 2:39 PM
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Speaking of assinine … read your comment … that is ASSININE!!!!!
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Indeed! Lets pack Death Valley for the rest of the season and
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Stay until the end!
There are only 7 days out of the whole year we get to do this! I can’t comprehend how people can pay so much money to go to a Clemson game and leave early!?!? It was a close game!
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Because many of them are not actually football fans.
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They just want to be seen, and show off how cute and fancy their tailgate spread is.
Those people who have banners made with their family name on it, etc. are repulsive.
The old school crowd would never do that crap. We showed up early to just eat what we wanted to eat, pounded some beers, and then went to the whole game and cheered loud no matter what.
Oh, and most games were at 1:00 and we didn’t complain.
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And the coach barely made six figures***
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Not sure what that has to do with fans leaving the games.***
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Re: Indeed! Lets pack Death Valley for the rest of the season and
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Maybe they would rather hit the bar or have some drinks at the tailgate and listen or watch from there. Also, on Homecoming they might not find that sitting there that interesting in comparison with the product on the field. I would have probably rather hit the bar. Drinks were needed to watch our offense yesterday. JMO
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Re: Id like to call our our fans this morning
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I was there doing the alma mater at the end. But I don’t blame anyone for leaving. The team never showed up at all so at least those fans came for a little while. I’ve probably been to 150 home games and that was among the sleepiest most pathetic efforts I’ve seen. Expectations need to come way way down. Or at least we need to stop believing the pre season hype. Fastest, best whatever it is.
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Re: Id like to call our our fans this morning
Oct 8, 2023, 8:51 AM
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Football has sure changed all around us. And we haven’t. Sad. Feel bad for Dabo.
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It's not a comment on Dabo or Football
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it's a comment on America....
the things that have been lost actually meant something very important: faith, commitment, loyalty, team, sacrifice, community, togetherness, family, patience, humility, respect, etc. etc.
These things no longer exist anymore, and they won't, because the younger generations are insistent that they don't have to learn them.
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Re: It's not a comment on Dabo or Football
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I think you'd better call out the Boomer Democrats with
Oct 8, 2023, 10:49 AM
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that comment. It was Jimmy Carter's Economic team that told everyone that "the amount of debt doesn't matter".
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Re: It's not a comment on Dabo or Football
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Figure it out. Who is the demographic/group rejecting everything that made the USA great? I agree with what you mention and would add individual responsibility. These things do not exist because the leftists democrats are closer to commies than democrats of yesteryear and are systematically destroying the USA. Divide and conquer. Make everyone believe (which at least 40% of them do) that everything bad is because of 'how things were' and we have to throw all that out to get back to good. This is how entire countries get conned into socialism (and worse).
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Or maybe people are just growing tired of watching the same
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mistakes over and over and then being told in postgame press conferences how great this team is. I never leave games until the clock expires, but yesterday was a first. It was more enjoyable in Lot 2 having a cold drink and hanging with my tailgate company than sitting in DV. I don’t blame people yesterday. That was an awful performance that was hard to get excited about.
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Sour puss exhibit #1 here......
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tmitchell, the "always fan". lofl....
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Re: Or maybe people are just growing tired of watching the same
Oct 8, 2023, 9:26 AM
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Disappointing. Especially in a close game that could have gone either way.
Was the offense hard to watch yes. But I would have stayed and tried to make a difference by forcing some false starts etc.
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Re: Or maybe people are just growing tired of watching the same
Oct 8, 2023, 10:31 AM
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Agreed this is literally what home field advantage is about. Helping your team out when they are struggling
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Re: Or maybe people are just growing tired of watching the same
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The offense was not impressive but the defense was. The QB for Wake Forest will be hurting all week. This defense hits hard and is worth the price of admission by itself.
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Re: Id like to call our our fans this morning
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Best is no longer standard.
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Thanks for that
Oct 8, 2023, 6:36 PM
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Insightful comment. Worked on it for a while, did you?
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Id like to call out Coach Austin this morning.
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Your oline is the worst I’ve ever seen. They’ve done everything wrong short of pulling a Muschamp and blocking each other during a play. I also blame you for the 7 penalties Clemson has had this season inside the 10 yard line, which you can argue led to losses against Duke and FSU.
You should be fired ASAP.
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Re: Id like to call out Coach Austin this morning.
Oct 8, 2023, 8:49 AM
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and you should be banned asap. remember that one time back at band camp.
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Whys that? Have anything constructive to add?
Oct 8, 2023, 9:21 AM
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Or are 23 year old movie references all you have this morning?
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Ok now that the name calling is out of the way
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How am I wrong?
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oh, you started the name-calling by connecting
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"Coach Austin" and "worst".
Why do people like you think you can get on here, and call out players, Coaches, teams, etc. but you can't be called out yourself.
You're the one who started "the worst".
So fine: give us your grades, give us your play designs, give us your detailed commentary on how the unit works as a whole and which players seem to work better as a part of unit than by themselves. Mostly talk about how play-calling sets up the O-line to fail or succeed. Give us reasonably detailed expected results, not just pie-in-the-sky name-calling....
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Re: oh, you started the name-calling by connecting
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Tigerdrummer gave specific examples of the OL unit’s issues.
And he is not paid lots of money to put an effective OL unit on the field.
That unit, specifically, is the worst position group on this team. And I know that because I played OL in college. They are horrible on so many fronts.
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How am I the worst? Im commenting on the poor play of the
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oline. Which is Austin’s job.
My observations on why the oline is bad:
Our players were being pushing off the line of scrimmage on run blocking plays..against Wake. One would think Clemson could get a push against teams like Wake. I saw the same things against Charleston Southern. Are our players being out-played by what should be inferior opponents or are they playing down to the opponent? Either way that’s coaching.
Run lanes and blocking assignments. I blame Coach Spiller a bit for this too because our backs aren’t finding running lanes inside the tackles. I noticed linemen completely whiffing and missing their blocking assignments, too. Clemson has the resources and the players. The missing component is coaching. That’s why I blame Austin for these ongoing issues.
The false starts speak for themselves.
Also, calling someone “the worst” isn’t name calling. If you need examples of name calling just look at your post history. Nearly every comment you make on TigerNet includes calling someone a name. Talk about pathetic (that was name calling). My job, which I’m pretty good at, isn’t being watching by nearly a million people every Saturday. I’d be open to scrutiny for improvement, though
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well we fundamentally disagree about name-calling
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1. "Worst" is indeed name calling. It is an adjective designed to denigrate in the extreme.
2. Yes, I do call names - very specifically to those who hide behind their keyboard and act like they're not accountable for their derogatory comments. People don't like it do they? It's not the "safe space" they want, because they want to act like naysayers and crybabies. Eff 'em. Step out in public to make public comments, then get treated like a public persona.
IF YOU GET ON HERE AND DENIGRATE OTHERS, BE PREPARED TO BE DENIGRATED AS WELL. YOU AREN'T SPECIAL BECAUSE YOU POST ON TNET.
3. You didn't answer my post - Mecklenburg was wrong: you weren't "specific". Specific is with specific plays, specific assignments, specific trends. Saying that "we don't get push" is generic, and could even apply to someone on the other side of the line from a play.
All that matters is the execution: where the play is and what is going on at that point. You've spoken to absolutely none of that.
I don't pretend to watch film, though I generally watch the game twice. I'm tired of people saying "I played O-Line in High School". That's BS. It means absolutely nothing, and gives no one credence.
Be specific in your complaints, or just say you were "disappointed" without pointing to anyone in particular.
Personally I don't care about Austin or Riley or Goodwin. I do care though that people denigrate without specific reason, and then want to assert that they can't be called out, lofl.
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How was I derogatory? I didnt call him fat, ugly or insult
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his mama. I said he’s terrible at his job, which when you look at the product on the field, he is.
Watch the game again and pay attention to the oline.
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I've never seen someone with less self-awareness as this
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"How was I derogatory?" R U kidding?
It doesn't matter if you're right or wrong, it's still derogatory. And in the extreme. Saying someone "is terrible at their job" is the definition of derogatory.
Maybe you need a dictionary: derogatory and defamatory are two different things. Entirely.
And who says I don't watch the O-line. But when I can call half the plays, so can the defense. And if the defense knows what's coming, even supposedly simple things like blocking get very difficult.
Their biggest problems at this point are 1) lack of experience at QB, and 2) lack of game breaking talent at WR. We had both of those things when TL16 was playing and it made all the difference in the world as to how the game was called and also how the O-line blocked.
Do I think the current O-line is "great"? Hardly. But there are reasons why they are being put under stress that makes things worse.
Go back and watch DW4 get rushed by Alabama, or even TL16 in 2018. CK2 is under no more stress than that, and by a long shot.
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Re: oh, you started the name-calling by connecting
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o did not have a great day by any stretch but they did have over 200 yards rushing. on a bad day.
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Re: Id like to call our our fans this morning
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We get it. You like it when Clemson is irrelevant. You're comfortable in the familiarity of it all.
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Re: Id like to call our our fans this morning
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Nobody said we like what we are seeing. We are just Tigers that stick with them through thick and thin. Like it or not.
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*Except for basketball, in which case the team is expected to give fans a reason to stay.***
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Re: *Except for basketball, in which case the team is expected to give fans a reason to stay.***
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Wrong again, troll. If I’m at a basketball game or watching one on TV, I’m in it till the end. And I watch as many as I can, regardless of what part of the season it is or what our W/L record is. Same for baseball, softball, etc.
Nice try, but a big whiff. Troll on.
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I wasnt referring to you specifically, but Im glad to hear that you arent a hypocrite.
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Re: I wasnt referring to you specifically, but Im glad to hear that you arent a hypocrite.
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There is a lot of wavering going on here. Always is if we’re aren’t winning the championship. Not too different than they act during basketball season. It has just been more evident during basketball season over the last decade or so because of our relative success in football vs basketball.
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It wasn't as embarrassing as losing to Duke by 3 TDs though***
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Yes, it was
Oct 8, 2023, 6:42 PM
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…actually worse. I’d put it in 2nd place all time behind 70-37 for index of embarrassedness.
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Nope, losing by 3 TDs to Duke was worse...Considerably so,
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will probably cost us a shot at the ACC Championship Game...and a possible CFB playoff berth
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Youre right - consequences were worse
Oct 9, 2023, 12:55 PM
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But we were talking embarrassment.
If I could pick one outcome to reverse, it’d definitely be Duke. Both losses hurt a lot, any way you slice it.
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Similar to the approach people take when second guessing the
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coaching...If you aren't a HC at a bigtime D1 school, you have no idea what it takes to make the decisions Dabo makes, the HC is simply infallible...But those same people feel perfectly fine telling us what the basketball coaches did wrong with ZERO HC experience in college basketball
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Re: Id like to call our our fans this morning
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it is pathetic for sure. hey maybe the walmart bandwagoners should run down and get them a coot shirt and switch over. or maybe a miami shirt after what they did last night. some of our so called fans are a complete waste of perfectly good skin.
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Re: Id like to call our our fans this morning
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In a tight game mind you. The crowd was as weak from a noise perspective as the players on offense. At least from what you could tell on TV. You don’t leave in a tight game. But I like watching the entire game anyway.
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"it's too much effort to watch a game that we're not sure
Oct 8, 2023, 9:03 AM
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we're going to win! That's no fun, and I've got to have fun at all times!"
Dabo won two Natties and created a multitude of nascent crybabies... now you know why Jesus didn't walk down off that Cross.
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you're closer than you intended...***
Oct 8, 2023, 9:13 AM
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First of all, I was there until the end but
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This team plays like they don’t give a s***, so why should the fans? Seriously yesterday it seemed like they would rather be somewhere else.
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That happens when you jack up ticket prices and seat equity
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Re-seat people from where they’ve sat their whole lives, and in general make the cost of game attendance astronomically higher, so you can pay a man $11M bucks a year to coach a football team. It’s big business now, it’s no longer family, and IPTAY themselves can wear the blame for that for continually seeking to extract as many dollars as they can from loyal fans’s wallets
It’s also what you get when the university jacks tuition sky-high, and creates a student body that’s almost 50% out of state, with most of those students leaving SC after graduating.
At the end of the day, we are a school in a small town in the middle of nowhere, SC. People need to decide if they want us to be a giant money-printing machine, or a small town school and athletic program who values their fans and alumni, because God knows we have shown that they can’t be both.
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you should send that to Neff....
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tell him that the "goals" he's setting aren't real: "Dollars" don't mean "true Fans".
No doubt he'd not understand in any way. They're making the Nascar mistake all over again.
Ask him to describe to you in detail exactly what his vision is for people sitting in their seats until the end of a game against Wake Forest.
It matters.... more than most know. Why?
Because one of those teams from yesterday isn't moving on to the Brave New World of Premier League College Football with only the "Big Brands" winning every year, and relegation for everyone else. One of those teams has already been shifted to the back, while the other still has just a bit of yesterday's glory built into it's image.
That 2nd team is trying to be the Green Bay Packers of CFB, which it can't do without committed fans...
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Im not positive, but I feel like we are agreeing.***
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we definitely agree that the AD doesn't have a clear
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picture of what he wants the fanbase to look like from a demographics standpoint, and such that it fits with the demographics of the historical and geographical Clemson base.
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Yes, those two negate everything I said.
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Oct 8, 2023, 9:50 AM
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Clearly I’m imagining the empty stands and pinky-out, see-and-be-seen fanbase we have become because two posters had a nice day
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I would imagine that the vast majority of fans in Death Valley
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Oct 8, 2023, 11:02 AM
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Yesterday had a great day. The grandstanding gripers going after other fans on here are in the minority.
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Ok?***
Oct 8, 2023, 11:07 AM
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My point is that while some of what you say is true
Oct 8, 2023, 11:33 AM
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About jacking up prices and making it more of a business. It does not l make Clemson a fundamentally different place or eliminate the family feel.
I spent almost all of Friday walking around campus, downtown, went to the soccer game, seeing the floats etc. and there are still a lot of elements of the old Clemson family all around.
You guys are making it sound like it’s all gone
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Re: Yes, those two negate everything I said.
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You didn’t imagine any of that. I saw it too. But it’s not as all or nothing as you present it. Lots more than 2 people represented in those posts, if you bother to read them. My statement that for SOME, it is still family is just as unimagined as yours impression. I saw that too. No doubt, especially reading here, for SOME, it is only all about winning (and whining if we don’t, or don’t win big enough). So much so that Clover was compelled to ask if he was the only one that enjoyed the day. Again, to those folks who did not enjoy the day, sorry about your luck, or maybe about your choices.
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lol, Im not sure what my luck or choices have
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To do with it, or if you’re trying to get in some jab. Life’s great, as are my choices and “luck”. I’m 6+ hours away in Nashville these days. I probably would have kept the seats we had had forever in UQ anyway after moving from SC, but the regular increases made it ridiculous given I might make 2 games a year now, and I damsure wouldn’t have my Lot 2 spot here in 2023 without tripling my donation. Besides, I had noticed that a lot of the long time tailgaters around me had started drying up, and spots were now owned my some random Greenville law firm or corporation, and the people showing up each week were completely different guests, usually with no Clemson ties, given the spot and the tickets as a business perk. It was changing even before I moved, so I had the good “luck” of IPTAY making my “choice” easy not to continue my support, as they clearly didn’t need or want it. They sure didn’t mind it in the 90’s and 2000’s though (and the 50’s through the 80’s with my grandfather and father) back when Clemson on game day wasn’t the place for upstate elite to see and be seen.
So of course you can still go to a game and have a good time, no one is saying otherwise, but there’s a whole lot less orange blood running through the stadium than there used to be. Don’t fool yourself otherwise.
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Re: That happens when you jack up ticket prices and seat equity
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Not just seat equity. I was moved for the new west end club after 39 years of loyalty to IPTAY. There’s no layalty of Clemson athletics to those that have been loyal - even through some very very bad years.
I hope Clemson wins but between the treatment of loyal fans and a poor product on the field, no one should lecture fans on “loyalty”.
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Re: Id like to call our our fans this morning
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If they pay me a million dollars a game like Dabo I’ll stay till the end.
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then don't come back - you won't be missed***
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Its Still a Free Country
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I stayed until the end, but last time I checked we still live in a free country. If people want to leave the stadium after paying all that money for tickets, etc., that is their business not yours. I have sat around the same general group of people for 20 years or so, and about half of them left just after half time. So it is not just bandwagon fans.
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I think part of the point was that those fans didn't
Oct 8, 2023, 9:42 AM
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leave right after half-time when it was still 20 years ago.
No one said "fans can't be weak minded". No one said that at all.
What he said was that fans used to come for the enjoyment of pulling for the team for 60 full minutes. That was the experience. That was the attraction. That was the point of the purchase.
Back when people had less "discretionary income", they made their extra dollars work longer and harder.... and indeed, probably enjoyed it more as well.
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Another factor
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Is in years past, if you left the game early the only way you could know the outcome was to listen to it on the radio. Now you can have a big screen TV set up at your car, and watch it while sipping a cold drink and eating homemade BBQ.
As technology gets better and better and it gets even easier to watch a game from anywhere, it’s only going to get harder to put butts in the seats.
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Re: Id like to call our our fans this morning
Oct 8, 2023, 9:44 AM
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There were plenty of empty seats in visiting side upper deck both in the Wake and Clemson sections in the middle of the first quarter. I bet we had 6k empty seats even in the first half.
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Its homecoming
Oct 8, 2023, 10:06 AM
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Crowd has been like that last few years I can remember
It’s people who only come to one game a year that show up and leave
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Well thats not good. Lol lol***
Oct 8, 2023, 10:06 AM
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i'm sick and tired of us not treating the 1st poss of the 3rd
Oct 8, 2023, 10:07 AM
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like it's the start of the game
we know how championships are won
every play
every possession
if every game
matters
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The Lunatic Fringe has left the building
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They have given up and are ready to fire Dabo because the Tigers are 4-2 at mid-season. What a bunch of low-rent whiners. Pathetic. Yes, it was difficult to watch but was it a victory. Yes it was. So put on your big boy pants and stop you whining. Every Saturday brings something different. That's why we love college football. Get over yourselves. Nobody cares what you think. Nobody cares that you want the entire coaching staff fired. It just doesn't matter.
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Re: The Lunatic Fringe has left the building
Oct 8, 2023, 10:19 AM
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Wow. I just gave the very elusive TU to Cobbox.
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Re: The Lunatic Fringe has left the building
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There are many fans who do NOT want Dabo fired but if we criticize the obvious dropoff in the last several years, the name calling begins. Maybe some of the so called lunatic fringe doesn't like the drop off----when did we last beat a REALLY good team?
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Wow. That's a hot take!
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My kids are godly.
They are athletes.
They understand authority and authority systems.
As a result, they are honor students. Beta club and all that.
They also love the Tigers AND the Longhorns.
And they all left mid-third quarter yesterday. They got cold and bored -- went back to the condo to watch on TV.
So maybe you're running on a false premise.
My kids see football and the "Clemson thing" for what it is:
ENTERTAINMENT.
It is not life. It does not move the needle on anything that matters.
They show up, have fun, hang with the fam and friends, and go home when they've had enough.
And Im proud of them for discerning what football is. Which is nothing but a game.
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Re: Id like to call our our fans this morning
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Agreed, not to mention it was pretty quiet the whole game. Granted it helps when the team gives you a little more to cheer about, but still a quiet day
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Re: Id like to call our our fans this morning
Oct 8, 2023, 10:39 AM
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We also need to shed some of these fair weather fans too
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Re: Id like to call our our fans this morning
Oct 8, 2023, 10:44 AM
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The customer is always right.
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Re: Id like to callwhat are you the nazi
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Police? Let people do what they want! Maybe they had sick family member at home. Maybe they wanted to check on floats! Maybe they wanted to tail gate with friends they only see once a year because they come in from Boston! Stop being like the POS corrupt Biden administration. Telling you to buy electric car, change your gas appliances, spend fortune for gas, groceries, killing whales off coast of New York from drilling for stupid wind mills that can’t power up enough energy to power a flash light! You people are out of your freaking snowflake minds!!!!
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we lost them at halftime....as we usually do...
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those with pass out checks drinking at halftime often dont come back in ...students in upper decks leave at halftime and dont come back in, but they at least the students filled up the student upper deck corner for the first half. Lower deck student section was rocking the entire game. We just need to start selling beer and bourbon in the stadium...
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nothing like a good lecturing of the fanbase
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to take attention away the disaster we saw on the field yesterday.
It’s gonna take this team getting drug by South Carolina to wake some of you up.
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That tends to be the Mickey Plyler playbook***
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One play...written in crayon...Blame the students/fans***
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Re: Id like to call our our fans this morning
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Oct 8, 2023, 1:44 PM
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Go ahead and call them.
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TU for that!
Oct 8, 2023, 7:01 PM
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My favorite response in this thread.
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Re: Id like to call our our fans this morning
Oct 8, 2023, 1:56 PM
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I’d say the fan base of 2023 is more passionate than the fan base of 1973. Go back and look at pics of 1973 or previous, I bet there weren’t 50k at the games. Obviously, there were way too many bandwagon fans back then. Also , Clemson has the good fortune of having passionate visiting fan bases like Wake Forest to help fill up the corners unlike SEC schools that do not travel like Alabama,UT,S.Carolina,UGA
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Re: Id like to call our our fans this morning
Oct 8, 2023, 2:35 PM
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Imagine thinking this teams performances of the past couple years are worth a full 3 hours of your time.
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Re: Id like to call our our fans this morning
Oct 8, 2023, 3:14 PM
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Over the past 40+ years of watching Clemson football, I have noticed the two (2) distinct ways fans express their displeasure with the football ball team. The first being vocal by booing in unison towards team. The second is extremely noticeable empty seats at meaningful points in the game. The latter is the most devastating as it shows the fan base has indifference towards the team and has given up. That’s a program killer
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Re: Id like to call our our fans this morning
Oct 8, 2023, 4:12 PM
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I was at the game yesterday. Soon as halftime hit , the floodgates opened with people leaving. It’s embarrassing for sure. Why attend a game if you’re leaving at half.
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Re: Id like to call our our fans this morning
Oct 9, 2023, 1:04 PM
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To beat the awful Clemson traffic. I’ve never seen anything worse than that. Maybe the offense against Duke. The traffic was terrible and congested and confusing as all get out.
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Started around 2011 after we won the ACC Championship.
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The Bandwagoneers jumped on and don't know what it is like to have down years.
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Re: Id like to call our our fans this morning
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watch out! all the super old tigers (late 40s to 50s or older) are going to call you a bandwagoner and lecture you about what you make and when you leave and how THEY did it like 25 years ago. they are fine with going 8-4 because.. we were good for a decade and thats enough because we werent great when they were in school and you'd better appreciate being 8-4 or else!
as a 3rd generation tiger i will leave when i please specially when im watching a crap effort...
dont care if you "care if i ever come back." ill be back next week and next year even the year after.. and forever long after you are dirt. 
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Re: Id like to call our our fans this morning
Oct 8, 2023, 6:44 PM
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How many bandwagon fans we have in the Hatfield days? Same thing happened then.
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Re: Id like to call our our fans this morning
Oct 8, 2023, 6:47 PM
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I did not see the same thing as you. Very few left.
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Re: Id like to call our our fans this morning
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It was embarrassing but it was homecoming. It happens every year. Annual family treks with small children that culminate a busy weekend with a drowsy football game.
… kind of like the chicken/egg story.
Do rabid fans get the team excited and make them play better OR does good football get the fans excited?
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CU Guru [1660]
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Re: Id like to call our our fans this morning
Oct 8, 2023, 9:03 PM
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or maybe the game is sooooooo absolutely boring and lifeless... the TV timeouts were dreadful... the offense was putting people to sleep... it was hot until late in the fourth and I cannot blame anyone for heading out...
They finally put a drive together and take a knee to end it...
At the 9-minute mark of the 3 quarter there was 6 minutes of football and 12 minutes of TV timeouts...
Nothing says Championship football like 3.5 hours of snoozefest and TV timeouts...
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110%er [6016]
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Re: Id like to call our our fans this morning
Oct 8, 2023, 9:37 PM
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I was told by some leaving that their NIL didn't cover staying 4 Quarters.
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Varsity [215]
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Re: Id like to call our our fans this morning
Oct 9, 2023, 12:58 PM
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Couldn’t be me. I’be been taking cough drops for 2 days now. Started screaming when they ran down the hill and didn’t stop until the clock hit 0.
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