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Oculus Spirit [81247]
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How much have the Cardones stolen today from Trump supporters?
Feb 21, 2024, 1:45 PM
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I'm going to bet this ends up like that dude who was raising money for Trump to build a wall. I wonder who ends up keeping the money?
Looks like its up to $872,172 raised of $355,000,000 goal.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/stand-with-trump-raise-the-settlement
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All-TigerNet [13187]
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He should get to use taxpayer money.
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Feb 21, 2024, 1:48 PM
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I mean it's good enough to pay for personal student loans and abortions, why not?
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Oculus Spirit [81247]
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I can pay for an abortion with public money?
Feb 21, 2024, 2:07 PM
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How's that work?
And if Trump is still president..why is he allowing that to happen?
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Orange Blooded [4814]
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Re: I can pay for an abortion with public money?
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Feb 21, 2024, 2:15 PM
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Plenty of people get their abortions paid for by taxpayers. I'm gonna assume you didn't actually not know that.
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Oculus Spirit [81247]
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How? I'd like to know.***
Feb 21, 2024, 2:28 PM
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Re: How? I'd like to know.***
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Feb 21, 2024, 2:33 PM
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A girl walks into an abortion clinic and doesn’t have to pay. That’s how. You ever heard of planned parenthood?
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Oculus Spirit [81247]
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So they just walk in, say they want an abortion, get it done and leave?
Feb 21, 2024, 2:38 PM
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I've read 3 of you type this, but no one seems to be able to paint out the specifics.
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All-TigerNet [13187]
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The Libs of Tnet be dum az fk
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Feb 21, 2024, 2:50 PM
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Medicaid, Medicare, and CHIP made up $1.53 billion of Planned Parenthood's funding during the years in question, during which the abortion giant also received $148.5 million in federal grants and cooperative agreements and $90.41 million from the pandemic-era Paycheck Protection Plan. Loan forgiveness from the PPP was intended for small businesses with fewer than 500 employees, but Planned Parenthood and its affiliates have more than 16,000 employees across the country.
Further, from 2021 to 2022, the Biden administration increased its funding to the abortion provider specifically through the Department of Health and Human Services from $5.71 million to $27.06 million — a 373% increase.
That expenditure came after the Biden administration rescinded the Trump-era Protect Life Rule for Title X programs, which barred all groups that received federal funding through Title X from referring women to abortion providers and required them to maintain physical and financial separation from abortion providers. During the Obama administration, Title X accounted for the second-highest source of federal funding for Planned Parenthood after Medicaid reimbursements.
Other organizations that advocate legal abortion received tax funds as well, including domestic regional providers FPA Women's Health, American Women's Services, All Women's Health Center, and Whole Woman's Health, totaling $107.74 million from 2019 to 2021.
Taxpayers also funded abortion globally, according to the report, which detailed $2.03 million for International Planned Parenthood Federation and $1.35 million for MSI Reproductive Choices.
In 2022, IPPF provided 5 million "abortion-related services," while MSI reported 4.7 million "clients reached with safe abortion or post-abortion care."
“GAO found that Planned Parenthood received a whopping $1.78 billion between 2019-2021 while the nation was struggling with the COVID-19 pandemic,” said Smith, co-chairman of the Congressional Pro-Life Caucus. “This included $90.14 million in forgivable loans through the Paycheck Protection Program — money that could have gone to struggling small businesses, many of which were forced to close.”
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All-In [42298]
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Thanks for playing but...
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Feb 21, 2024, 2:57 PM
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Federal funds can't go towards abortions unless the woman's life is in danger or she was raped/incest.
See the Hyde Amendment, 1976. Nice try, though.
EDIT: Prediction- Keowee runs away and hides from this post.
Message was edited by: Catahoula®
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Re: Thanks for playing but...
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Feb 21, 2024, 3:57 PM
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The decision to focus on federal funds and how they cannot go directly to an abortion procedure per the Hyde Act is an interesting stance. Especially since all those federal funds can, and do, go to Planned Parenthood "operating expenses". You are correct - they cannot go on a budget line item that shows "federal medicaid paid for abortions at this amount", but they can go to any other line item. I digress. Since the original quote was taxpayer money going to fund abortions - let's dissect that a little. How do states get around this Hyde Act thing? Enter state medicaid. Funded by both federal dollars (federal taxes) and state dollars (state taxes) - the Hyde Act does not apply. If the abortion is funded only by the state (budget line-item nonsense again) it is completely acceptable. To date, 15 states fund abortions with taxpayer money using state medicaid. Thus, taxpayer dollars are used to provide free abortions.
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All-In [42298]
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But it was pretty clear Keowee meant federal
Feb 21, 2024, 4:08 PM
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And that was the direction of the discussion.
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All-TigerNet [13187]
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Sigh. Let me help you even though Im flying.
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Feb 21, 2024, 4:23 PM
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Dems circumvented the Hyde amendment by using agencies not specifically listed by the Hyde amendment. That is the reason for H.R. 18. Is the Hyde amendment was preventing it then H.R. 18 would not be needed. The senate has pretty much the same.
Biden also using tax paper funds for his National bill a baby hotline: “The Biden Administration’s announcement that they will use Title X grants to fund a national abortion hotline is both dangerous for women and reckless spending of $1.5 million taxpayer dollars in violation of the Hyde Amendment,” said Ruth Ward, Director of Government Affairs, Family Policy Alliance.
Anything else you need me to do for you today??
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All-In [42298]
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Moving the goalposts, eh? A usual Keowee move
Feb 21, 2024, 4:30 PM
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You argued initially that the money was going to actual abortions. Now you're arguing it's going to pro-choice organizations and hotlines. I think we're done here.
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All-TigerNet [13187]
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IT IS YOU DUM FK. JFC.
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Feb 21, 2024, 5:33 PM
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Planned Parenthood receives more than $600 million dollars in taxpayer funding every year. Much of their taxpayer money comes through Medicaid, which is jointly funded by federal and state taxpayers. Currently 16 states add their own state taxpayer dollars to pay directly for abortions. They also receive many taxpayer dollars through the Title X family planning program. There is zero meaningful separation of staff, facilities, and operational costs at Planned Parenthood clinics between government-funded services and abortions. Federal contract rules allow taxpayer funds to pay staff salaries, supplies, and facility costs on a “pro-rated” basis. It is merely an accounting gimmick; tax dollars literally pay the rent and energy costs to keep abortion clinics running and funds staff that help perform abortions. Planned Parenthood claims abortion is inseparable from their mission, and with a significant portion of their budget coming from taxpayers, it’s safe to say our tax dollars are inseparable from their abortion mission. Their annual reports show Planned Parenthood’s dramatic increase in taxpayer funding has led them to expand abortion while cutting clients and other health services.
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Re: IT IS YOU DUM FK. JFC.
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Feb 21, 2024, 7:16 PM
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Planned Parenthood receives more than $600 million dollars in taxpayer funding every year. Much of their taxpayer money comes through Medicaid, which is jointly funded by federal and state taxpayers. Currently 16 states add their own state taxpayer dollars to pay directly for abortions. They also receive many taxpayer dollars through the Title X family planning program. There is zero meaningful separation of staff, facilities, and operational costs at Planned Parenthood clinics between government-funded services and abortions. Federal contract rules allow taxpayer funds to pay staff salaries, supplies, and facility costs on a “pro-rated” basis. It is merely an accounting gimmick; tax dollars literally pay the rent and energy costs to keep abortion clinics running and funds staff that help perform abortions. Planned Parenthood claims abortion is inseparable from their mission, and with a significant portion of their budget coming from taxpayers, it’s safe to say our tax dollars are inseparable from their abortion mission. Their annual reports show Planned Parenthood’s dramatic increase in taxpayer funding has led them to expand abortion while cutting clients and other health services.
Do not confuse him with facts
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All-In [42298]
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It's not, you idiot.
Feb 22, 2024, 8:46 AM
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Even Planned Parenthood has to acknowledge that and obey the law. What you're spouting are made-up right wing lies because once again, you've never done one ounce of any research or critical thinking on any topic on your own. You just regurgitate whatever you hear.
You know what that money does go to? Helping prevent unwanted pregnancies so that abortion isn't even on the ####### table. But you mouth-breathing ######### don't even want that. You somehow want every teenager out there to #### and pop out kids without any hindrance whatsoever.
Your original response to this post was a lie, and then you shifted the goalposts when--like usual--you got torched on the facts. But at least you didn't run away like a little ##### this time.
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Mr. Pathetic runs out the clock as usual
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Feb 22, 2024, 10:03 AM
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Mr. Pathetic persists with a hopelessly defeated argument by filibustering.
The final post ‘wins’ the argument in Mr. Pathetic’s world.
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All-In [42298]
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Re: Mr. Pathetic runs out the clock as usual
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Feb 22, 2024, 10:21 AM
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How long did it take you to come up with that brutal insult. Ouch. How will I ever recover?
Care to refute my points? Maybe try it in a coherent post of fewer than two paragraphs without the weird "Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" and actually use facts and research?
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Which all really boils down to a personal conjecture barely tethered to reality.***
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Feb 22, 2024, 10:36 AM
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Oculus Spirit [81247]
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Re: CRAP I hit the wrong butt-in.
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Feb 22, 2024, 11:19 AM
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"My lawyers are diligently working to ensure the funds are utilized properly."
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Feb 21, 2024, 1:52 PM
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Yeah. That money be gone.
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A fool and their money are easily separated.***
Feb 21, 2024, 2:43 PM
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All-In [42298]
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Man, that border wall scam was the best.
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Feb 21, 2024, 2:46 PM
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One of my favorite moments on here in the past few years. I called it a scam from the very beginning, and boy, did that get the Trump fan boys in a rage. I remember bengaline calling me a POS for it.
Fun times. Lotta anger out of people when they realize they were duped.
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Heisman Winner [138133]
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Remember when Steve Bannon and some other dude stole all that money
Feb 21, 2024, 3:35 PM
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and were found hiding out on a yacht? And Trump pardoned him before it ever went to trial? Party of law and order, baby. ABG, Always Be Grifting.
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All-In [42298]
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How many times does one average Trumper...
Feb 21, 2024, 3:43 PM
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Have to be conned before he realizes the whole show is a con?
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Re: How many times does one average Trumper...
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Feb 21, 2024, 3:54 PM
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Re: How much have the Cardones stolen today from Trump supporters?
Feb 22, 2024, 1:11 AM
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No Señor, Mexico is gonna pay for the wall.
Or we can get some veterans to create a scam to raise money for the wall but spend it on something else. But that’s not a good idea cuz those vets might be charged with crimes and that would just be a democrat witch hunt.
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Re: How much have the Cardones stolen today from Trump supporters?
Feb 22, 2024, 10:16 AM
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Mexico put a down payment on the wall in the forms of (1) enacting Trump’s ‘stay-in-Mexico policy -&- (2) Mexico paid for their own deployment of ~ 25,000 troops to patrol the border.
This was more valuable, and provided immediate positive effect, than the beginning of a wall building process. Walls take time to build, which Team Trump was simultaneously beginning. Just a few miles got built before lawsuits from the Democrats put construction of more sections of the wall on hold.
The Democrats successfully got construction of the border wall stalled; ~ $500,000,000 of wall construction materials were thus idled while pushing the immovable Democrats to allow resumption of construction in order to resume with the project of securing the border.
However, after Biden’s handlers stole the election, they sold this $500,000,000 of construction materials for ~ $15,000,000 and gave the finger to Trump and his supporters.
One of faults of the Trump administration was strict adherence to the law.
Biden, on the other hand, has the virtue of not wasting time with adherence to court orders.
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Oculus Spirit [81247]
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You are self radicalizing, and get more unhinged every day.
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Feb 22, 2024, 11:16 AM
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Its like watching a tumor grow.
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Re: How much have the Cardones stolen today from Trump supporters?
Feb 22, 2024, 11:33 AM
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One of faults of the Trump administration was strict adherence to the law.
I'm not sure what's funnier: That you believe this is true, or that you're actually admitting out loud that you want Trump to break the law.
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