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Re: Heard a blowhard on Finebaum yesterday claiming that NIL
Aug 11, 2021, 10:49 PM
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Oh I think it is a real concern. Don’t fool yourself. The NIL is a way for boosters to pay players and cheat. I think it will ultimately lead to the downfall of college football. The gap will continue to grow. While we have enjoyed our success, I cannot say that it has been good for CFB overall.
Let’s say Clemson starts to not be able to compete in this new era, are you watching? I won’t. Not when the cards will be so heavily stacked against us and 80 other college football teams.
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Re: Heard a blowhard on Finebaum yesterday claiming that NIL
Aug 12, 2021, 12:35 AM
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I agree, and I'm really close to closing the door on college sports, and the very moment that our team starts to fall bc high court judges felt they had a place with their opinions within college sports, was the very moment that college sports began making a turn for the worst, and it won't be any fixing it now, and I won't be a fan of it ever again once I turn away!!!
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Re: What was stopping the boosters before ?
Aug 12, 2021, 11:03 PM
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Very True. But the flood gates for different avenues to do this within the rules have opened. More money= Better team most of the time. More money comes from larger alumi base or a filthy rich alum. More money will flow and boosters will pay company’s to do the NIL.
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Re: Heard a blowhard on Finebaum yesterday claiming that NIL
Aug 12, 2021, 8:34 AM
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Am I the only one who does not see this as you describe it. This ,IMO, has nothing to do with boosters paying players. This is a chance for a player to make money off his image, a photo, signing a jersey that you buy at Mr. Knickerbockers. Besides it's not the boosters paying the players, but an agent who arranges for the player to get paid to sell his NIL or a sponsor to advertise his product.
In Anderson Mall there is a sports memorabilia store selling autography jerseys, helment's and images of DeShaun, Trevor ,even Hunter Renfro. So why shouldn't these players be able to make some sort of compensation on these items.
After all most of them are selling for a minimum of 300 dollars.
But no where have I read they have signed any contract to "play".
Add to it, as long as Clemson continues it's rise with perhaps the 2nd most successful coach currently in the business going anywhere, I don't think we need to worry about "Little Old Clemson" going anywhere.
Georgia and The Coots are another matter, however.
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Agreed
Aug 12, 2021, 8:41 AM
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I think you're right.
After all, there's only one school in the nation that has plans to build a branding and licensing education center.
It's Clemson.
To me, that's literally an advantage nobody else has; I don't think one Buckeye player getting a truck spells certain doom for Clemson, & frankly I think we're ahead of most. The suggestions that Clemson can't compete seem to completely ignore what we've done with upgrades & recruiting the last decade, not to mention the most successful funding arm in the country (again and again).
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Re: Heard a blowhard on Finebaum yesterday claiming that NIL
Aug 12, 2021, 11:08 PM
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If that was all it was it would be fine, but you are naive to think that money for guaranteed NIL agreements will not be offered to high valued recruits. This will be funneled through boosters and alum. This puts Clemson and many other schools at a disadvantage. Case in point look at what just happened at BYU. Here we go.
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You see it different but they are both true
Aug 13, 2021, 7:42 AM
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People forget the reason behind the rules.
It wasn't to keep athletes poor..or to keep them from working.
It was to stop boosters from buying teenagers off the high school street market. . The NCAA had no issues with kids earning a pay check through honest work.. the boosters screwed it all up.
Any way.. both of you still correct.
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Boosters aren't the main reason
Aug 13, 2021, 1:01 PM
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Nonsensical television revenue, ridiculous coaching salaries, private jets because of national recruiting, billions being poured into facilities and the total money-fication of CFB are what ruined things. Once everyone else was raking in the cash, it was immoral to keep players from benefitting.
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Actually that’s not correct.
Aug 14, 2021, 6:06 AM
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Yes. The NCAA did a lot of that to prevent boosters from paying players. But they also had a ton of other rules that made it almost impossible for a scholarship athlete to make money.
To show you just how unfair and stupid the NCAA has been about this I point to Jeremy Bloom. Maybe you don’t know that name or you’re not old enough to remember, But he was a world champion and Olympic champion skier and wide receiver for Colorado. He’s the only winter Olympic athlete to also be drafted by the NFL.
As I’m sure you know, during the Olympics a lot of corporations hire Olympic athletes for marketing. You see them in TV commercials months ahead of the Olympics. They also get a lot of other endorsement deals.
Chapstick, K2 skis, and other companies wanted to cut endorsement deals with Bloom. The NCAA said no! Their logic was, how can they know whether he was getting those endorsement deals because he was an Olympic athlete instead of a university of Colorado football player.
It was totally absurd. People were outraged. People, including the media,were mocking the NCAA. The guy was a three time world champion and two time Olympian. He was one of the best skiers in the world. When have you ever seen a Chapstick or K2 ski equipment commercial during a football game?
That was the nail in the coffin for me in regards to how corrupt, greedy, and stupid the NCAA was.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.insider.com/nfl-ncaa-jeremy-bloom-documentary-student-athletes-2021-6%3famp
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Re: Heard a blowhard on Finebaum yesterday claiming that NIL
Aug 12, 2021, 12:09 AM
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Do like I did and stop watching Finebaum
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"Downfall of Clemson" is too harsh, but we should be...
Aug 12, 2021, 1:55 AM
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concerned. Gotta see how it plays out. Next couple of recruiting classes should give some indication.
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Re: "Downfall of Clemson" is too harsh, but we should be...
Aug 13, 2021, 11:49 PM
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Definitely agree. I just hope it does not destroy the sport that we all love. Losing so much tradition over the years has hurt the game. Do you remember when we used to really look forward to New Year’s Day?
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IMO, CFB tradition is overrated. However...
Aug 14, 2021, 12:02 AM
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New Years Day used to be my favorite sports day of the year. So much awesomeness to soak up at one time!
Now that's all gone because one entity owns the TV rights to 99% of bowl games.
The Sun Bowl on CBS is the lone holdout of the Borg takeover. Problem is, nobody cares about the Sun Bowl because there are way too many bowl games now.
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Re: Heard a blowhard on Finebaum yesterday claiming that NIL
Aug 12, 2021, 7:09 AM
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The only question I have is how could any sane person listen to a minute of of his crapfest show. and why in the name of all that is good would anybody start a thread about his show? Posting about him keeps him relevant putting money in his pocket
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Re: Heard a blowhard on Finebaum yesterday claiming that NIL
Aug 12, 2021, 7:25 AM
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Sorry man, but it is a REAL concern. DJ got his deal because Clemson has had a very consistent presence on sports television for the last 5 years. The paw is nationally recognizable now, and thank God for that.
But the universities with DEEP alumni pockets (e.g. Texas Oil money) will be able to keep entire teams flush with cash, just for doing BS interviews on their grandkids TikTok feeds. NIL cash will sway some recruits, just as it does today.
I am TRULY thankful I have been alive to see the run over the last decade and having the resources to travel and witness a national championship winning drive. But unless NIL gets retooled in some way to level the playing field for smaller schools AND ESecPN's influence CFB is curbed, Clemson is in a VERY tenuous position regarding its ability to put a consistently competitive product on the field.
The good news is we got Dabo and DRad. They know what's up, but knowing isn't the same as controlling. And being stuck in a basketball-first conference with a rook commissioner isn't helping Clemson's cause.
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Re: Heard a blowhard on Finebaum yesterday claiming that NIL
Aug 12, 2021, 8:44 AM
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I wonder how those programs will compete without a branding and licensing education center?
I wonder how Clemson University will compete with the only branding and licensing education center in the country?
I don't wonder how Clemson will do with the #1 fundraising arm in college athletics, though; we've seen the results & upgrades for the past decade.
You might be right. Clemson MIGHT be doomed back to total mediocrity. I'd just like to encourage y'all to use Clemson as the REASON not to see it as a death sentence, particularly with the way Clemson responded to NIL faster than anyone else (among other things).
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That may be the only such program currently, but
Aug 14, 2021, 5:51 AM
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Other schools will be doing it soon. And frankly I just don’t see where that’s going to be a big advantage in a few years. The players will hire agents and go straight through those agents. This is not about the big players. The tiny few that are going to make BIG money won’t need that type of program. That program is going to be more for the other players.
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Hes a shock Jock . Most of the teams in the
Aug 12, 2021, 8:54 AM
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South don't have huge metropolitan areas
Will GT suddenly get better?
No1 can compete with USC , texas, ND, and Oklahoma If you just consider the money around your school.
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I have been saying for years and years that
Aug 14, 2021, 6:10 AM
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If money bought championships Oregon and Oklahoma State would be top five teams every year.
But, this is different. And I support NIL. I think players have been getting screwed for decades. But I don’t like the way it’s being done in its current form.
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Re: Heard a blowhard on Finebaum yesterday claiming that NIL
Aug 12, 2021, 8:57 AM
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So many people just don't understand that this is bad for college sports in general. This is not just bad for football. There will be descent between the haves and have-nots, and there will be an overall change of how the players are thought of by the fans. The fans have always looked at the players as "one of them"... now many players will be thought of with the same disdain as those prima donnas in professional sports.
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Re: Heard a blowhard on Finebaum yesterday claiming that NIL
Aug 12, 2021, 1:02 PM
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Why is he wrong? Clemson doesn't have as many rich boosters as many other schools and now that you can openly pay players for their "image" whoever has the most money wins. Its only a matter of time.
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Re: Heard a blowhard on Finebaum yesterday claiming that NIL
Aug 13, 2021, 3:03 PM
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This does not always work out the way they think it will-
I mean look at all the money the guy from Nike dumps on The Oregon Ducks. On the College-
They still have not produced. Some kids are smarter than what you think- Listen to them - they say they like Clemson for the family feeling, Mom and dad, grand mom loves it. The want an education. I seen several say Clemson has what they want- they know football will not last forever!
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Re: Heard a blowhard on Finebaum yesterday claiming that NIL
Aug 14, 2021, 7:28 AM
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It’s a good thing that Clemson isn’t having to pay all of that money to the players instead of the businesses endorsing the individuals for their “likeness”!
Yep, it sounds like this guy fits on the dumbaum show perfectly!
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