FYI, TB did nothing positive for our

I would say he is one of the biggest reasons we are just now getting back to being a consistent competitor like we look to be getting to.

People want to give him credit for facilities, beating USuC, etc. He didnt do that, FYI TDP took our facilities to a new level and USuC sucked then. Yeah grad rates went up and that is great, but it didnt equal wins and wins is what wins trophies, not diplomas, and new buildings.

If he was any good, we would be better than we were when he left.

Clemson (though improved under his tenure in wins) were set back years by his hire.

We hired a name and that was all we got. If his name was Dabo Sweeney, he would be fired in 4 or 5 years tops.

The quality of the coach equals winning period. Dont take my word for, ask Alabama.

He was not, and never will be a good coach. Yes he is a good christian man, yes he seemed to be a good guy; that doesnt make him a good "coach" and that is what you need to WIN.

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Ha ha. Whatever man. Some of you people are too much.

Aug 14, 2012, 4:33 PM

Bowden was given a 3 and 8 fiasco of a team and facilities that had been passed by everyone that mattered.

South Carolina went 2-7 (22%) against Bowden from 1999 to 2007. During those years they "sucked", they also had a better winning percentage against Arkansas (33%), Georgia (33%), Bama (50%), Vandy (78%), Miss St (83%) and Kentucky (89%). Only Florida and Tennessee did better against South Carolina at 8-1 instead of 7-2.

Bowden made it known when he came on board that our facilities would be a top priority. You are correct not to give him all the credit, but season ticket sales and average attendance improved significantly under Bowden, all while the prices were going through the roof. We are currently reaping the benefits on his emphasis on the facilities, made possible in part by the massive increase in funding during his tenure as our coach.

Recruiting improved significantly.

As mentioned, the players' academic performance under Bowden was outstanding and continues to be so under Swinney.

During his tenure, we also broke the strangle hold that FSU had on us.

Finally, the idea that he would have been gone a long time before he did finally leave if he had a different name has no basis in reality. For all this "Clemson coaches have it rough" garbage, we actually are pretty forgiving to our coaches. Probably because we understand the value of longevity. West was fired because of performance. 3-8? At Clemson? No sir. Hatfield was "fired" for not being Danny Ford. As a matter of fact, if you're going to look for a Clemson coach with a winning record that was fired based solely on performance, I think you'll have to go back before WW2.

But believe whatever you want.

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FYI, TB did nothing positive for our "football program"

he improved our program a lot while he was here. the west

I notice your sig includes

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Who is Dabo Sweeney?***

How can you imporove and be set back?

Re: How can you imporove and be set back?

Nothing but better players, academic improvement and

soooo you are saying he did that?????

I'd say he deserves some credit, yes.***

I'm assuming you were in a coma during the 90s***

Ha ha. Whatever man. Some of you people are too much.

Not a TB fan but I do agree with your points. TB did a lot

Bowden couldn't get us to the next level...

I've got no love for TB, but you're insane if you

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