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All-TigerNet [10374]
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for those who think stoudt should be the starter.......Why?
Sep 8, 2014, 10:39 AM
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just curious
is it only because he hasn't done anything to lose it?
i would like to see "football reasons" but if that's the only thing you can come up with that's ok.
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Re: for those who think stoudt should be the starter.......Why?
Sep 8, 2014, 10:40 AM
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It's simple DW is the best QB Clemson has. That's all!
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110%er [8132]
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For sake of the arguement
Sep 8, 2014, 10:44 AM
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Better passer
Better runner
Makes quicker decisions
More mobile in the pocket
More versatile...opens up the playbook
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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pretty sure it's because he won the job based on 100%
Sep 8, 2014, 10:44 AM
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participation not the < 1% you're crying about.
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That's easy
Sep 8, 2014, 10:46 AM
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The coaches who see them every day, know them best and have perhaps the most pressing need to win games have said he's the starter.
When and if they change their mind so will I.
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i'm fine with the mindless robot answer.......but was hoping
Sep 8, 2014, 10:56 AM
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for personal assessments, football judgement, and one's own thoughts.
just b/c you're not a coach doesn't mean you can't talk rationally about football ya know..........dabo won't get mad at you
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and anyone that's been around long enough is used to the
Sep 8, 2014, 11:02 AM
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idiotic, melodramatic pheeboisms based on < 1% of the data.
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Thanks for your permission.
Sep 8, 2014, 11:02 AM
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You asked a question. I gave you my opinion (which you asked for).
Perhaps, just perhaps, the guys who know more about the competition for starting QB than you or I, are in the absolute best position to decide this.
But you are right that the discussion is fine, and I'm not throwing stones at you for it. Perhaps you should consider refraining from doing the same towards those of us who are choosing to trust the coaches.
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coaches mess up and make mistakes too........
Sep 8, 2014, 11:13 AM
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if not tommy bowden would still be here
and yes you're right choosing to trust the coaches is a valid answer it just doesn't add much to the discussion...............do you or have you EVER question the coaches? not personally, but have you ever said something like "they probably shouldn't have called that play".......if you haven't then i guess every coach is PERFECT to you
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Yes, a single play is the same as evaluating a quarterback
Sep 8, 2014, 11:16 AM
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over months of practice and drills.
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Of course I have
Sep 8, 2014, 11:18 AM
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I'm a fan, and have watched a ton of Clemson football in my time. I've seen some very odd choices and of course some glaring mistakes (the Justin Miller at QB at Duke fiasco comes to mind).
Again, I'm not shutting down your discussion. Have at it. You asked an opinion, and I'm answering what you asked.
But, in this case we are basing a discussion on a tiny portion of the data that the coaches have available. That was my point, and I think it's a valid one.
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Re: That's easy
Sep 8, 2014, 11:15 AM
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Agreed! We don't see the whole body of work. I do like what I have seen from Watson, but it is a very limited look that I have had of him. They see the whole body of work.
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has anyone "not liked" what they've seen out of dwatson?
Sep 8, 2014, 11:22 AM
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other than the miscommunication with kitt & the misread on the option, he's been pretty much spot on, but that's what they expect when he gets his chance.
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Simply so that you don't throw a true freshman fully into
Sep 8, 2014, 10:49 AM
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the fire and take a chance on screwing his head up permanently.
The coaches knew that they had with Watson in the spring. But they also know that there is a serviceable 5th year senior that can help ease Watson's introduction to D1 football.
Happens all the time, and I think that the coaches are doing it perfectly.
Watson will be the starter as soon as they feel comfortable that he's mentally ready to handle it.
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Re: Simply so that you don't throw a true freshman fully into
Sep 8, 2014, 10:54 AM
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As a note, didn't Morris just say in one of his last interviews that they see he is mentally ready...
"We all saw last week that the moment wasn't too big for him." - CM
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probably the best answer I'll see, but.......
Sep 8, 2014, 11:02 AM
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even the coaches have said he's mentally ready and there's not a playbook issue.
evidence being pulling your "clear cut starter" in the uga game down by 7 on the road.
I would like to think they are "working him in slowly" to take over eventually, but i've seen NOTHING from dabo that tells me he'll make the move:
a. b/c he wouldn't want to hurt stoudt's feelings
b. b/c starting watson would indirectly show that they were "wrong"
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My take
Sep 8, 2014, 11:13 AM
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1) Of course the coaches are saying those things. They will say he's mentally ready to help build him up. They will say he has the whole playbook available publicly because you don't tell the opponent he may be limited. Not saying either of those things are either true or untrue, but they are both coach-speak and make prefect sense in that context.
2) They didn't "pull" the starter. The brought in the second QB as scripted.
3) This season will play out and we'll see what happens at the QB position. There certainly appears to me, as a fan, to be a big upside to giving Watson playing time, and he may well be the starter by the end of the season. But the problem with the debate is you have framed it in such a way that no matter the outcome you will claim to be right. If Watson is the starter at some point this season you will claim "See, I told ya so", if not you'll claim "See, I told ya Dabo is too loyal to do the right thing."
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no, if dabo makes watson the "clear #1 QB" and treats him...
Sep 8, 2014, 11:17 AM
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like it.............ie giving him starter minutes and benching him when/if the game gets out of hand
I will applaud dabo for doing the right thing
b/c my biggest concern is that dabo doesn't have the guts to possibly "hurt cole's feelings" b/c he's "put in the time"
I think what he's doing to stoudt NOW is unfair, if he's "clear cut #1" then treat him like he did tajh last year.
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Looking back at your posts for the last 5 years...
Sep 8, 2014, 11:26 AM
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you have been wrong about Dabo almost every time. I'm sure you're wrong this time as well.
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that's why he hasn't been around.***
Sep 8, 2014, 11:27 AM
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I disagree with your assessment of Dabo...
Sep 8, 2014, 11:43 AM
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I don't think that anything about Dabo or his history says that he is "afraid" to admit that he is wrong or to do the right thing. In contrast i believe that he has gone out of his way to do the right thing in the face of controversy. It would be easier from a P.R. standpoint to start Watson so that he could shut everyone up, but that doesn't mean it is the best thing to do. Dabo has consistently shown that he will do what is right for the program and the player, even if many others disagree. Is he or will he be perfect? No, but Dabo is a man of principle and I think you are way off base with your assessment here. If you want to say Watson should be starting now that is fine but your argument that he is afraid to bench Cole doesn't hold water. You don't get to Dabo's position and success if you are afraid to make difficult choices. Further, I think that if you have a little patience you will get what you want. Deshawn will start before this season is over. Not because Cole is bad but because Watson is that good. If I had to guess it will be at home against North Carolina but could come later. In my opinion, it is not a good idea to put the full pressure of the program on a young man on the road against teams like Georgia and FSU no matter how mature or talented you think he is. I doubt that we win at Georgia just because he starts btw. He played in the second half and struggled just like Cole. DW needs Cole right now and the coaches know that. He will be the starter soon, I think we can all see that he is a tremendous talent.
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Well ... He can't Seem to hit a vertical route in stride !
Sep 8, 2014, 10:50 AM
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Guys constantly slamming on the brakes to wait on Coles ball to get there. Would have had 4 picks had that been FSU secondary Saturday . One a pick six and receiver batted one outta the defenders hands.. VERTICALS, GO ROUTES , AND DEEP POST ROUTES ARE NOT WAIT FOR THE BALL TO GET HERE ... PERIOD !!!!!!
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well, that's not 100% accurate as qb's are taught it's
Sep 8, 2014, 10:54 AM
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better to complete the pass than not complete it and that often means under throwing the coverage or the receiver when he's wide open like a scott or williams on the sideline.
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Re: well, that's not 100% accurate as qb's are taught it's
Sep 8, 2014, 10:59 AM
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What ..... GO DOESNT MEEN STOP ....
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not completing it does though.***
Sep 8, 2014, 11:00 AM
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Re: not completing it does though.***
Sep 8, 2014, 11:06 AM
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When you force receivers to stand and wait on the ball while any separation from the defender is negated its a poor throw . If you think otherwise your stupid . What's the point of getting separation at the line of scrimmage in press man coverage to have it cast aside ... Really man come on ... Wake up .. Understand the game and routes called .
FSU SECONDARY KILLED US WITH PRESS MAN AT LINE OF SCRIMMAGE LAST YEAR .... AND WILL ATTEMPT SO AGAIN WITH OUR YOUTH ON THE FIELD !!!
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Re: not completing it does though.***
Sep 8, 2014, 11:06 AM
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I take the stupid back .. Sorry . Not what I should have said.
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While I'm not entering this debate
Sep 8, 2014, 11:08 AM
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I did point ya for tracking back on the attack. I like to see folks reign in their outbursts.
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it's ok, i don't have any feelings you can hurt. i can see
Sep 8, 2014, 11:10 AM
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through that to the point you're trying to make whether i agree or not is a different story.
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when you're taught to complete the pass instead of
Sep 8, 2014, 11:08 AM
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overthrowing it, it's not; the point is to complete the pass, not come back to the huddle, chest bump and say great separation, we'll get them next time.
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Re: when you're taught to complete the pass instead of
Sep 8, 2014, 11:14 AM
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When the corner and safety have closed on you because your standing there waiting on the ball it's a bad throw .
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an incompleted pass is far worse than any
Sep 8, 2014, 11:16 AM
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under thrown completion.
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Depends if you're throwing into zone or man coverage
Sep 8, 2014, 11:20 AM
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Against man coverage, I agree entirely.
In zone, when you're looking for a spot to camp and take the ball, that's the name of the game.
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Re: Depends if you're throwing into zone or man coverage
Sep 8, 2014, 11:24 AM
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Rev ya got in late on this one. My line in the sand is he is under throwing the verticals ,go routes ,and deep posts .. Never on these routes do we want receivers camping . Sorry
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OK....
Sep 8, 2014, 11:24 AM
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As none of us are at practices nor know preparation of all these guys, here is what is the likely situation:
CS has shown the ability to handle different situations, manage the team, support his teammates, whatever - better than DW.
As even the coaches have said - DW is the future, the $1m question is obviously when that will be. Arm strength, quickness, etc. DW is on a different level. That said, and I don't think it is just because CS is a "senior" - the coaches did/do NOT think DW will give the best chance to win.
Do I think that will happen soon? Yep...does that mean the coaches were wrong in not starting him sooner? Nope...but we'll obviously never know. Good conversation for years to come discussing over a beer, but what I find annoying is the assumption that CS is only starting due only to seniority.
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