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Final conclusion of Deshaun?
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Jan 18, 2024, 11:26 PM
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What is your take? Do you think he did everything they accused him of? A little bit of it? None at all?
Deshaun is my favorite player in Clemson football history. Trevor was also of course the same level, but Deshaun brought the brand of Clemson to that mountain top. And really had a chance at winning it all twice.
I care about Deshaun’s success, and every player that comes from Clemson.
But, this is a situation that if it were true, it’s obvious what will result from that.
Not trying to beat a dead horse. This is something that I don’t want to believe.
The one thing that I would point to as abnormal is the amount of misuses that were used. Even if there’s no actual inappropriate behavior by Deshaun, it’s odd that there were so many.
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Bottom line for me
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Jan 18, 2024, 11:46 PM
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I live down here so I was inundated with information on the situation from beginning to end. Tony Buzbee made sure of that.
#1 It's clear to me some of the accusations are true but I do NOT believe for one minute all of them are true.
#2 On the other side, those who believe every single one of those women lied are truly delusional. You need help.
Deshaun used at least 66 masseuses (only 30 were involved in settlements). There is no non-perverted reason to use that many. Seriously, it could have been way more than that.
Most athletes are particular about them and stick with just one, or two.
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Re: I believe he made some very dumb desicions
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Jan 18, 2024, 11:49 PM
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But I don’t believe he abused anybody. Not saying you’re wrong, I just don’t see it in his character. But I could be the one with the wrong idea.
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Re: I believe he made some very dumb desicions
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Jan 19, 2024, 1:01 AM
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He wasn’t accused of abusing. It was sexual harassment.
I don’t think there were any prosecutions involving Deshaun physically abusing anybody.
If you say “abuse” in this context, then it is a question of rape. And no, that is something I definitely do not see Deshaun doing ever.
So, I believe with the 66 misuses, he probably tried to slick talk or whatever, and probably groped one or some of them.
Real stuff, but I believe this could’ve been it.
I honestly do not understand it though. Deshaun is a very very mature and intelligent person. He seems to have great emotional intelligence. He truly cares more and it’s obvious. You can’t just fake what he’s done in this world.
And for that reason, the reason of Deshaun being such an impactful citizen to society his whole life until this instance, is likely a factor that will eventually let him free of conviction.
This does though show that there may be something Deshaun needs to get fixed mentally. That’s not a healthy pattern of thinking obviously.
In regards to Deshaun’s down performance recently, I think it’s an example of an NFL player who is more focused on his life other than football. I believe he’s going through counseling, or at least he has. His performance to me reflects that he’s not there mentally to play his best. He’s figuring out his self and it’s affecting his confidence and everything he does well with.
And there’s the fact that he’s being paid $100 million a year as well.
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He was haggling over prices...
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Jan 19, 2024, 3:23 AM
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w/ these spiteful prostitutes and they found being treated like the low-life hookers they actually are, to be beyond the pale, highly offensive and justification for destroying his life by any means necessary. I believe these angels posed nude for a calendar that's available for purchase and are currently filming and hard-core ### series depicting their fabricated fairy tale/cash-grab hustle—
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Re: Apparently he is not a very very mature and intelligent person.***
Jan 20, 2024, 11:45 PM
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Agreed … it became obvious the second he was in the NFL surrounded by new “mentors” …. He was guided by his mother in high school and Dabo in college… Started making bad decisions the day he was left to his own devices with all of that money. He acted, predictably, the way almost any 21-22 year old with that much money and freedom would..
Still love him. Go Tigers .
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was Buzbee representing the women?
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Jan 19, 2024, 2:28 AM
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Re: Bottom line for me
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Jan 19, 2024, 8:57 AM
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After thinking about it for a while I’ve also come to the conclusion he’s at least guilty of being a perv. Also we all need to stop acting like we know his character. No one on here is best buds with him. We don’t have a clue.
All I have to go off of is he used 66 masseuses and was accused of inappropriate behavior by almost half of them. No way he’s innocent in all that. I also don’t think all 66 were prostitutes. I feel he definitely hooked up with some for money but I also feel he got too cocky that’s when these accusations came in.
Anyone and I mean anyone who thinks he’s totally innocent in all this just loved him as a player and doesn’t want that image to be tainted.
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Re: Bottom line for me
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The bottom line is: Professional athletes live in glass houses, and need to be very careful about their behavior. They are public figures, celebrities, and they have to be vigilant. Whether Deshaun did these acts or not is in the eye of the the interpreter. Many of these NFL or NBA stars get caught up in thinking they are beyond judgment simply because they are in an "imminent" place in society. Deshaun got caught up in this alternative mode of thinking. Or all the accusers correct? Probably not. This is the bandwagon approach. Deshaun more than likely did some inappropriate things to some of them. At any rate,
he should be forgiven and not tarred and feathered for the rest of his NFL career. Once he gets to play beyond his judges and his injuries and lead the Browns to the playoffs next year, all will forgotten in the eyes of sports fans anyway. Kobe Bryant was accused of a rape many years ago, which more than likely he did, and money and a NBA Title cured all that later. Deshaun Watson has learned his appalling lesson in some fashion here, and next year he has the opportunity to prove it on the football field, and in the present life he is living today.
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Re: Bottom line for me
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I remember having some level of concern back when the social media stuff leaked out of him hanging out with that #### star. I forget her name.
I do believe the Texans organization was pi$$ed Deshaun stood up to them the way he did, demanding to be traded, etc. I wouldn’t be shocked if the powers behind that organization orchestrated the whole deal to send a message. He was a franchise QB. The powerful elite don’t like being jerked around.
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Re: Bottom line for me
Jan 19, 2024, 8:15 PM
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**Prawn star
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Do you mean the climax?***
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Im a woman and Ill give you my take on it
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Jan 19, 2024, 12:39 AM
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1. He’s a perv with too much money and thinking with his 2nd head.
2. No reason to use 66+ masseuses unless you’re a perv
3. These “ladies” he hired should be more street-smart dealing with athletes if they are advertising on instagram for their services. They’re not being selected because they are the best masseuses around. They should be use to this behavior. If they can’t handle it it’s time to get another job.
4. I’m not condoning his behavior but to be so shocked at his behavior is very naive on their part.
5. I think he’s definitely guilty but to what degree I don’t know. Too many came forward for him to be the victim of dishonest accusations.
He’s one of my favorite tigers along with Christian Wilkins so I hate all this happened.
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Re: He May Have Been Perving ....But Its More To It ---
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Jan 19, 2024, 1:57 AM
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Athletes or even regular hard working people have different ways to give themselves their own sense of therapy or ways to decompress.
I don't know why this was a thing for him or who even ever brought this kind of thing to him. However what I'm going to say is that if indeed he used a multiple amount of masseuses......this wasn't at all an issue or a problem UNTIL he wanted to leave the Texans. Then miraculously all of this came out. If it was such a problem with him harassing these women who's profile's look like something coming from a 1-900 HOT N READY number.....why they didn't say anything in a timely manner?????
Its too obvious someone in the Texans office set him up....or decided to spill his beans because he was trying to get out.... because at that time the organization was terrible....and divided.
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^^^^This^^^^
Jan 19, 2024, 8:20 PM
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Had to teach him a lesson and send the message to future franchise QB’s and players…”don’t jerk us around demanding to be traded.” Deshaun was highly critical of not being consulted in the coach hiring process.
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Re: Im a woman and Ill give you my take on it
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Jan 19, 2024, 7:25 AM
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York Co Tater - that is probably one of the most rational takes in this issue I have seen. All the way around.
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ah maaaaaaan.
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he posted "Do you mean the climax?*"
then you posted "Im a woman and Ill give you my take on it"
and i was hoping for some juicy penthouse type response on climaxing.
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Re: Final conclusion of Deshaun?
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Jan 19, 2024, 3:22 AM
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2 different grand juries were given all the evidence from the investigations, primarily from the Houston PD. Neither came back with any kind of criminal indictment. And let's face it, getting an indictment from a grand jury is not hard. To me, that says there was no criminal activity at all.
Buzbee wanted his big bucks to come from the civil side. This is where DeShaun made a mistake - he should have offered to pay off all the women at the beginning rather than let the possibility of a court case hang around so long. I understand why he didn't but at the end of the day, I think he ended up paying them all something anyway. The good news is Buzbee's big payday never happened. And let's be very clear - these were not legitimate masseuses. Massage parlors are all over Houston and everyone knows the primary activity is not massage.
The poster above brought up that this didn't start until DeShaun started talking about being traded. That's true but the very beginning was when DeShaun was part of the group in charge of finding a new head coach and, apparently, he did not go along with the group. And I'll get shot down all over the place for saying this, but I personally believe the events that followed were racist. The Texans owner, not known for being a paragon of virtuous living, I believe was of the opinion that "he'll pay the colored boy a $100 million a year but the colored boy better keep his mouth shut". The entire organization turned against Deshaun after that. And the fact that the Texans owner and Buzbee were next door neighbors seemed to make the following events just a little too comfortable.
He's not married. He has a girlfriend and she stuck around so I can only assume she was not too upset about it. I guess I don't see much difference between going to 66 for one time vs. 1 for 66 times. The fact is it was a personal thing, and would have stayed that way if the Texans had not gotten involved. Celebrities, however, don't really have personal lives and Deshaun clearly did not factor that into his decisions.
I believe he will be back. He will get these things straightened out in his head and he will be a force in the NFL. I believe in him.
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Re: Final conclusion of Deshaun?
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Jan 19, 2024, 4:06 AM
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Masseuse is a a legal way of saying escort imo.
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Totally false.
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Jan 19, 2024, 9:36 AM
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However, it's true in many cases, as a lot of prostitutes do indeed use massage therapy as a front. Clearly DW had that expectation, which leads me to believe that was established up front.
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These are Instagram
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Jan 19, 2024, 11:04 AM
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They don't make money professionally, but just by having online profiles and making appearances. They "appreared" and got what they were paid for.
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That was my impression as well.***
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Re: Final conclusion of Deshaun?
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I’m going to throw what did or didn’t happen out and state one conclusion.
If Deshaun would’ve never asked for a trade out of Houston, none of this would’ve come out.
To reiterate I’m not saying guilty or not guilty.
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Re: Final conclusion of Deshaun?
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Jan 19, 2024, 7:02 AM
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When he first arrived in Houston and was hanging out and posting on social media with the adult film actress that was the red flag for me. I think the money brought out some character issues that probably were of concern to his mom and aunt. Unfortunately, it seems he continued down a destructive path. Hopefully his family, his faith, and professional counseling has helped him overcome the problems.
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Re: Final conclusion of Deshaun?
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Jan 19, 2024, 7:51 AM
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I think massive amounts of money changes people. Plain and simple. Which is why Jesus said it would be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter heaven. It's not impossible but being mega rich makes it extremely difficult to keep worldly desires at bay.
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Im gonna quote Ron White on this
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Jan 19, 2024, 8:01 AM
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99% of men in this country can’t afford or don’t have the option to bang 66 masseuse/Instagram model/escorts. I think it showed some restraint that it was ONLY 66! He has the option for thousands!!! LoL
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Re: Final conclusion of Deshaun?
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Jan 19, 2024, 8:13 AM
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There is a fine line between making a move on a girl and sexual harrasment. How many of you were kissing a girl then tried to feel her #####? EVERYONE here has. If the girl turns you down that was sexual harrasment you just committed.
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Re: Final conclusion of Deshaun?
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Jan 19, 2024, 8:26 AM
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innocent until proven guilty
what was he charged with?
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Re: Final conclusion of Deshaun?
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Jan 19, 2024, 8:37 AM
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That DW4 is a better man than many of you judgemental priks & ladies.
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Re: Final conclusion of Deshaun?
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Jan 19, 2024, 8:55 AM
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How do you hold a person accountable for their actions if you don't judge those actions?
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Re: Final conclusion of Deshaun?
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Jan 19, 2024, 8:52 AM
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Once a player leaves Clemson, I don't really follow them. Wish them well and forget them. That's my take on Deshaun.
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I think...
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Jan 19, 2024, 9:07 AM
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there are two sides to every story and the truth likely lies somewhere in the middle.
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Re: Final conclusion of Deshaun?
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Jan 19, 2024, 9:12 AM
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My belief:
DW engaged the services of call girls who were using massage therapy as a front. It was two adults agreeing to the deal. There may have been a time or two where there was some disagreement or misunderstanding, but DW never used force or intimidation. The majority of cases were totally bogus, where women piled on at the encouragement of a crooked lawyer to extort money from a wealthy, somewhat naive young athlete. The only thing I believe DW is guilty of is immaturity and terrible judgement.
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Re: Final conclusion of Deshaun?
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Jan 19, 2024, 10:11 AM
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99% my take as well, but I think not all were fully call girls but that they were more like happy-ending masseuses...once there was a chance for some money, they all lit up though.
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Calls for speculation.
Jan 19, 2024, 9:47 AM
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There's no point in doing that, as it will establish zero facts.
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I will not attempt to be any man's Judge!
Jan 19, 2024, 9:51 AM
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I Love DW4 and what he did for Clemson Football! At this point, I think he should lean on God first, and that Clemson degree and completely get himself out of the limelight!!
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Re: Final conclusion of Deshaun?
Jan 19, 2024, 10:22 AM
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If he could go out and win a super bowl then no one will care but until then it will be the blame for why he played worst than Flaco.
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Re: Final conclusion of Deshaun?
Jan 19, 2024, 10:24 AM
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Even though I teach online only I had to take the mandatory UNiversity campus sexual harassment training. I breezed through it. I can't beging to judge DW on that.
I can say so far he has been a total washout as an NFL qb. He is that high end luxury car that wont start or run right. It spends time in the garage collecting dust
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Re: Final conclusion of Deshaun?
Jan 19, 2024, 10:34 AM
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At the end of the day I don’t believe for one minute any one of them were forced to do anything. They were offered money, got paid and the right lawyer came along and gathered up a number of them and he got paid. Call it what you want but it’s basically prostitution and these ladies got compensated 2 times.
Easy for DW seeing he had the funds but not good judgement by any means on his part. Does it happen with other athletes on a regular basis? No doubt in my mind.
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Re: Final conclusion of Deshaun?
Jan 19, 2024, 10:38 AM
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As far as the criminal charges, I think it's pretty clear he didn't do anything criminal in regards to sexual harassment/assault. Two grand juries declined to bring charges. There is an old saying that you can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich, so the fact that both of the declined ti bri g charges is significant.
However, I think it IS plainly obvious that he solicited prostitution. The number of different women he hired indicates this as well.
As far as the conspiracy theories go, I don't think anyone from the organization did this. My opinion is that either the lawyer got wind of what Watson had been doing. Then when Watson started demanding a trade from the Texans, the lawyer (or one of the women) saw an opportunity, and made the accusations. If he had never had the blow up with the Texans, it probably never would have amounted to anything.
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Re: Final conclusion of Deshaun?
Jan 19, 2024, 3:15 PM
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your "plainly obvious" is not so obvious if you read the complaints...
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Re: Final conclusion of Deshaun?
Jan 20, 2024, 10:28 PM
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The complaints didn't hold up in court.
Also, there waa consideration about charging him with solicitation as well.
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One red flag was DW inviting Mia Khalifa to his house
Jan 19, 2024, 10:47 AM
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right after he turned pro.
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If 2 grand juries refused to indict
Jan 19, 2024, 11:37 AM
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I have to believe Deshaun. He displayed very poor judgement by using Instagram “massage therapists” but I don’t believe he sexually assaulted anyone.
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Re: If 2 grand juries refused to indict
Jan 19, 2024, 1:11 PM
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Bringing this thing up again does DW4 or Clemson no good. It's over.
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Re: Final conclusion of Deshaun?
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no, read the complaints, they are online and they paint a completely different picture of events... this was a money grab followed by a media smear campaign ... that simple.
You have to also take into account it was during COVID and Texas shut down all the legitimate massage places... he had to go outside the norms... good judgement? Not so much.
And I take his repeated denial as a sign that he did what he said... they wanted him to admit he did something he did not and his reputation was worth more to him than the $$$...
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Re: Final conclusion of Deshaun?
Jan 19, 2024, 4:22 PM
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When this nonsense began the first thing that I did was google the massage parlors in the city. There was many,many of them and it was obvious to me that the ads portrayed the “ladies” as something other than people who gave massages. The pictures were all “very revealing”!!! Watson visited these establishments for something other than a rub down , and he got it. Very poor judgment on his part. A good lawyer could have had a field day with this case. But, what did the ladies have to lose?. You always get burned when you play with fire.
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Re: Final conclusion of Deshaun?
Jan 19, 2024, 4:35 PM
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I think everyone see's it for what it was - a hit on a player a bad organization didn't want for doing something every other player does.
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Re: Final conclusion of Deshaun?
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Jan 19, 2024, 8:08 PM
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Final conclusion of DW4?
He's the best quarterback and player to ever don the paw END OF STORY
Don't care one bit about a grown man paying women for erotic massages as long as it was consensual. ####, our elected leaders do 10x worse and we vote them into office year in and year out
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