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Best WRs on the team?
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Aug 7, 2023, 11:37 AM
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This was a response to an earlier post about Collins. This is my ranking of our WRs.
What do you guys and gals think?
1. Williams
2. Turner
3. Randall
4. Collins
5. Hanafin5
6. Johnson
7. Spector
8. Stellato
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Re: Best WRs on the team?
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Aug 7, 2023, 11:43 AM
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If healthy I think collins is top 2. He has flashed. Has all the tools he needs.
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I hope you're right.
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Aug 7, 2023, 11:44 AM
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Just don't see it, man. As much as I want it to be true, I just don't see it.
I really hope I am wrong.
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Re: I hope you're right.
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Aug 7, 2023, 11:47 AM
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I definitely understand. Just my opinion. That catch he made against wake forest his freshman year was incredible. 22 catches last season is underwhelming. He was on pace to have a great game against usc last season until he got hurt on that long catch and run.
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Collins, Williams, Turner, Randall, Johnson/Spector/Stellato
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Aug 7, 2023, 11:49 AM
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When Collins left the SCAR game injured, you could really tell a difference.
Williams was the leader last season by default. He will be great again with Collins on the field.
Randall May surprise us all by coming in and living up to his hype from his first spring/summer on the team.
Turner has by far the highest ceiling given expectations when he was signed.
Johnson certainly looks the part.
Spector has been only serviceable and Stellato can’t get healthy.
One of the lesser heralded new guys could make a splash like Turner did last season. Who knows?
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Expectations for Turner may be a bit high. He's still
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Aug 7, 2023, 11:52 AM
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a bit small after only gaining 4 pounds in the offseason to get to just 184 pounds, which is surprising given the level of strength and nutrition resources he has at is disposal.
1. Collins
2. Williams
3. Briningstool
4. Randall
5. Spector
6. Turner
7. Johnson
8. Hanafin
9. Brown
10.Stellato
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Re: Expectations for Turner may be a bit high. He's still
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Aug 7, 2023, 12:09 PM
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I agree with everyone except Spector. I'd bump him down to 8 or 9.
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Still remember that TD catch where it appeared to catch him
Aug 7, 2023, 1:43 PM
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..by surprise that the ball was in his hands.
Nothing against the kid, but he is definitely one of the least talented WRs on the team.
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Re: Still remember that TD catch where it appeared to catch him
Aug 7, 2023, 4:15 PM
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He’s sort of single handedly killed the #13 WR tradition.
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Re: Expectations for Turner may be a bit high. He's still
Aug 7, 2023, 6:37 PM
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a bit small after only gaining 4 pounds in the offseason to get to just 184 pounds, which is surprising given the level of strength and nutrition resources he has at is disposal.
1. Collins
2. Williams
3. Briningstool
4. Randall
5. Spector
6. Turner
7. Johnson
8. Hanafin
9. Brown
10.Stellato
It Spector is 5 at end of year then that’s a terrible sign
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I know this, Stellato is at bottom of the list…
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Aug 7, 2023, 11:53 AM
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He is turning out to be an absolute recruiting bust! We had very few of those when JS ran recruiting and coached up the receivers.
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He has been injured almost the entire time.
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Aug 7, 2023, 12:01 PM
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He looked pretty good in the brief moments he was healthy. It's really a shame.
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Re: I know this, Stellato is at bottom of the list…
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Aug 7, 2023, 12:24 PM
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That's some revisionist history. Stellato being a "bust" is entirely based on injuries thus far. Hard to coach a guy who can't stay healthy. Also JS recruited plenty of guys who massively underperformed compared to their recruiting pedigree:
1. Frank Ladson
2. EJ Williams
3. Demarre Kitt
4. Trevion Thompson
5. Diondre Overton
6. Germone Hopper
And that doesn't even get into guys like Ajou Ajou, Shadell Bell, and Kyrin Priester who were all pointless takes. You can also add Dacari Collins to the list of guys JS recruited that didn't pan out. Scott had plenty of misses and his recruiting philosophy and misses on the recruiting trail towards the end of his tenure is what left our WR corp completely depleted.
Clemson's problem with WR play is the same problem we've had with overall offensive play - the approach has been stagnant. If you look at the type of WRs who have been dominating the sport at the college and NFL level lately it's predominantly the type of guy who wins with acceleration and smooth route running and yet we kept going after a bunch of boundary guys that may be able to turn 50/50 balls into 60/40 balls but can't actually get open. That's a recruiting strategy that can be directly traced to Jeff Scott.
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The issue with most of the guys you cited is that JS was…
Aug 7, 2023, 1:03 PM
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Not here to coach them up. Not saying all of them would have been phenomenal receivers, but many more would have if he were here to see them through. The other piece of the problem was DJ at QB not being able to deliver the ball on time and in the right place. Even Justyn Ross was frustrated with that. The timing of both of those things screwed up WRU.
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Re: The issue with most of the guys you cited is that JS was…
Aug 7, 2023, 1:45 PM
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8 of the 10 guys I mentioned received at least one year from Scott. 7/10 spent their entire careers with Scott. No, the issue was not that JS was not "coaching them up". They were just busts. And some of the guys Scott recruited took major steps forward under Grisham (Rodgers and Powell).
This board has a very strange love affair with Jeff Scott just because he got out before the foundational offensive cracks he helped create burst open in 2021 and 2022. I don't know why everyone here seems to want him to take over the offense when Riley moves on. He's already shown he is not the innovative offensive mind it takes to keep from going schematically stale.
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I agree with most of what you say. Jeff Scott recruited …
Aug 7, 2023, 4:20 PM
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… some great WRs and some not-so-great ones.
On trait I noticed we seem to be missing lately is WRs who really know how to block.
I think that’s something that can be coached and it seemed JS did a fine job at it.
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Re: I agree with most of what you say. Jeff Scott recruited …
Aug 7, 2023, 6:31 PM
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The vast majority of blocking for college WRs is effort. Technique doesn't matter nearly as much because you're predominantly going against guys that are not good at getting off blocks. The last time we had a truly elite blocking WR was Charone Peake, which to JS's credit was one of his guys through and through, but a lot of the lackadaisical blockers from the last several seasons were JS's recruits. You can blame Grish for not getting the effort out of them, but part of that is an intangible quality you can't teach.
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Re: I know this, Stellato is at bottom of the list…
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Aug 7, 2023, 12:35 PM
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I don’t count injured players as busts. Busts to me are players that don’t have injury issues that don’t live up to expectations.
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Chronic injuries can be a sign of lack of prep and doing…
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Aug 7, 2023, 12:59 PM
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The things that prevent getting injuries in the first place. I realize not all injuries are preventable, but you can maximize durability through doing the right prep work.
When I say bust, I don’t mean he is a bust because he didn’t have the talent to be good. He just never showed it on the field of play as expected for whatever reason.
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I'm available which puts me ahead of Stellato***
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Aug 7, 2023, 12:14 PM
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Funny, TU!***
Aug 7, 2023, 1:41 PM
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Re: Best WRs on the team?
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Aug 7, 2023, 12:16 PM
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1. Williams
2. Collins
3. Randall
4. Turner
5. Johnson
6. Brown (based on film)
7. Hanafin (based on film)
8. Spector
9. Stellato (not available)
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Re: Best WRs on the team?
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Aug 7, 2023, 12:19 PM
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Don't forget about the young Sweeney on your rankings....
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Re: Best WRs on the team?
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Aug 7, 2023, 12:27 PM
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I expect Randall to break out this year. He has that it factor and all the tools.
1. Williams
2. Randall
3. Collins
4. Briningstool
5. Turner
6. Johnson
7. Spector
8. Hanafin
9. Brown
10. Stellato
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Re: Best WRs on the team?
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Aug 7, 2023, 12:30 PM
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Turner isn’t even going to start, most likely, this season. I think a healthy Randall ends up being your #1. He was poised to break out before his injury last season and it looks like he is almost back to 100%. I think Randall, Williams, and Collins are your guys in that order. Then brinningstool and Turner after. Those 5 will most likely make up about 80% of your receiving production with most of the the rest coming from RBs and your other receivers
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Re: Best WRs on the team?
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Aug 7, 2023, 12:32 PM
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While I admit I have no expectations for either frosh WR, I was just curious why you feel Johnson will be better than Hanafin? Or did you forget about him?
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Re: Best WRs on the team?
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Aug 7, 2023, 12:38 PM
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Hanafin played very low level HS football so he will take a while to adjust to Power 5 level football.
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Studied Hanafin, don’t see him contributing this season
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Aug 7, 2023, 1:11 PM
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at WR. He played against low level competition in HS and looked more technically sound playing Safety than WR imo. I do have high expectations for Tyler Brown given his hands, speed, and elusiveness. Brown has a really high ceiling, and could see gadget plays this season.
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Re: Studied Hanafin, don’t see him contributing this season
Aug 7, 2023, 1:22 PM
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Makes since. Guess we shall see how everything played out.
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Re: Best WRs on the team?
Aug 7, 2023, 1:26 PM
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Shouldn't there be a Swinney on that list somewhere? Surely we haven't run through ALL of his kids yet...
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After the TN game...
Aug 7, 2023, 1:27 PM
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...he is dead to me.
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Re: Best WRs on the team?
Aug 7, 2023, 6:44 PM
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Gosh.....I hope not. Enough of midget ball already!
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I'm sorry, Collins is not 4th on that list***
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Aug 7, 2023, 3:44 PM
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