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Someone remind me, what's the scenario that sends us to
Oct 4, 2023, 12:10 PM
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the ACCCG?
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Re: Someone remind me, what's the scenario that sends us to
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Oct 4, 2023, 12:11 PM
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Football Miracle!
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Re: Someone remind me, what's the scenario that sends us to
Oct 4, 2023, 12:45 PM
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Step 1 - Win Out
Step 2 - FSU wins out
Step 3 - Miami beats Louisville
It's more complex than that actually...but if those three things happen...I believe it's highly likely we make it to the ACCCG for a re-match with FSU....
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Who else does Louisville lose to?***
Oct 4, 2023, 1:34 PM
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The scenario that sends Clemson to the ACCCG is...
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Oct 4, 2023, 12:19 PM
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Clemson being one of the top two ranked conference teams (based on conference win percentage) at the end of the regular season. This changed from past years as there are no longer divisions.
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^^^^^^ don't listen to this guy
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Oct 4, 2023, 2:25 PM
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dont trust a guy only feeding you part of the troof.
He conveniently left out that In the case of a two-team tie for the second-best winning percentage, the first move is to turn to head-to-head competition, with the winner of that game holding the advantage. If there was no head-to-head competition, the next determinant is winning percentage against all common opponents. Then it moves to win percentage against common opponents with the added caveat of order of finish in the conference, beginning with the highest-seeded common opponents and moving downward in order of the standings. The fourth step is to factor in the combined winning percentage of a team's conference opponent, with the team who faced the better opponents gaining the advantage.
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Re: Someone remind me, what's the scenario that sends us to
Oct 4, 2023, 12:29 PM
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Unfortunately, highly unlikely this year.
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Here are the tiebreaker rules
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Oct 4, 2023, 12:31 PM
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At the most basic level, the teams with the two best winning percentages in conference play will play on the first weekend of December in Charlotte, North Carolina at the Bank of America Stadium for the ACC title.
In the case of a two-team tie for the second-best winning percentage, the first move is to turn to head-to-head competition, with the winner of that game holding the advantage. If there was no head-to-head competition, the next determinant is winning percentage against all common opponents. Then it moves to win percentage against common opponents with the added caveat of order of finish in the conference, beginning with the highest-seeded common opponents and moving downward in order of the standings. The fourth step is to factor in the combined winning percentage of a team's conference opponent, with the team who faced the better opponents gaining the advantage.
After that, the league will factor in details not settled on the field. The fifth step will be for third-party SportSource Analytics to determine a Team Rating Score at the conclusion of regular season play and the team with a higher score will advance to the Championship Game. If all else fails, the commissioner of the league chooses the advancing team at random.
If three or more teams are tied for the best record in the league, the first step is to determine a top seed. The league will do that first by considering head-to-head win percentage against all other tied teams if they are common opponents. Next, the tiebreaker becomes win percentage against all common opponents and continues through the same procedures as the two-team ties, all the way down to the random draw from the commissioner. This process proceeds until there are two teams determined to be the top two seeds.
https://www.si.com/college/pittsburgh/news/pitt-panthers-acc-new-tiebreaker-rules
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Re: Someone remind me, what's the scenario that sends us to
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Oct 4, 2023, 12:46 PM
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Duke has to lose 3 ACC games (quite probable). Louisville needs to lose 2 (less likely). Clemson wins the rest.
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Re: Someone remind me, what's the scenario that sends us to
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Oct 4, 2023, 12:48 PM
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Duke doesn’t necessarily have to lose 3. They and someone else has to lose 2 along with us to force a 3 way tie.
I’m asking what that scenario is where all 3 have the same record amongst the other and then it goes to overall etc.
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First and foremost...
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Oct 4, 2023, 12:48 PM
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Clemson MUST win all of its remaining conference games.
Even then, we'll need some help (e.g., Duke will need to lose three conference games).
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Re: First and foremost...
Oct 4, 2023, 12:57 PM
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Duke will lose three…especially if Leonard isn’t healthy…
Probably lose to FSU and UNC…
Third loss could be any number of teams - they may lose 4 actually…
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Louisville needs to lose two (to us and someone else)...
Oct 4, 2023, 1:18 PM
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UNCheat needs to lose two (to us and someone else), and Miami needs to lose two (to us and someone else).
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We don't play Louisville***
Oct 4, 2023, 1:21 PM
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D'oh...thanks for the reminder.
Oct 4, 2023, 1:30 PM
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In fact, Louisville probably has the easiest path to the ACCCG of anyone. They don't play FSU, they don't play UNC, and they don't play Clemson. Their toughest remaining conference game is Miami. They do play Duke but the Blue Devils won't be the same team without Leonard.
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Leonard will be back by the time they play UL
Oct 4, 2023, 7:26 PM
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and I think they are capable of winning without him. They are more than just Leonard. We do need them to lose to State and FSU so they can take down UL then hopefully lose to UNC. Miami beating UNC and UL and losing to FSU another help . Clemson of course has to win out
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ACC Wheel of Destiny causes UVA to start winning
Oct 4, 2023, 1:03 PM
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inexplicably.
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Re: Someone remind me, what's the scenario that sends us to
Oct 4, 2023, 1:44 PM
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So far what I've gathered to be required:
Clemson win out
FSU win out
Louisville lose at least 2 (Miami? Pitt? Duke? VT?)
Duke lose additional game (Louisville? UNC? Pitt? NC State?)
UNC lose additional game (Cuse? Miami? Duke? NC State?)
VT lose additional game (Wake? Cuse? Louisville? NC State?)
Obviously Louisville is going to be the toughest key.....
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Re: Someone remind me, what's the scenario that sends us to
Oct 4, 2023, 1:47 PM
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Not sure there's enough ganga to get you there. lol
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Re: Someone remind me, what's the scenario that sends us to
Oct 4, 2023, 2:22 PM
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The easiest and least complicated way is for the Tigers to win out in ACC play and all but one other ACC team have 3 losses or more.
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I don't think that's mathematically possible***
Oct 4, 2023, 2:40 PM
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Re: Louisville ***
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Oct 4, 2023, 4:18 PM
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The reason I stated Miami beating Louisville as critical….
I believe Louisville will blow at least one game to a lesser team …but not two..
Duke would be a Louisville loss with a healthy Riley Leonard … Duke’s the better team with Leonard ..not so without him…
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I think it starts with, "The hand of God must..."***
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Oct 4, 2023, 5:45 PM
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We used to be able to say an act of Congress
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Oct 4, 2023, 5:55 PM
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But I’m not sure there’s 2 brain cells to rub together among the lot of them.
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asteroid crash?***
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Oct 5, 2023, 12:08 AM
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For starters, Duke has to lose 3 ACC games! Because FSU wont***
Oct 5, 2023, 12:54 AM
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Re: For starters, Duke has to lose 3 ACC games! Because FSU wont***
Oct 5, 2023, 12:59 AM
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Then, everyone else has to lose two, except the regular season champ. If we assume that is FSU, then every other team has to lose two and Duke has to lose three! That is pretty unlikely!
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Duke Doesn't have to lose 3
Oct 5, 2023, 9:40 AM
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We are hoping for a 3 way tie including Duke for 2nd place where the 3rd team beat Duke and we beat the third team. That would nullify their H2H advanatage.
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Re: Someone remind me, what's the scenario that sends us to
Oct 5, 2023, 12:43 PM
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For CU vs FSU in the ACCC...
1) We have to win out
2) UNC has to 2 (CU + 1 more)
3) Louisville has to lose 2
4) Duke has to lose 3
5) VT has to lose 2
6) Miami has to lose 2 (CU + 1 more)
7) Syracuse has to lose 1 more
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