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Orange Blooded [4403]
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36 years of Tiger fandom here
Oct 20, 2013, 5:24 PM
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been through the late '70's when you could tell we were on to something...been through the NC through the late '80's where we had some of the best D in the nation and our offense would stagnate once or twice a year and cost us...been through the lean '90's and now to the present. Just my take on things here:
-- i love Dabo's passion and fire and i truly think he's the coach we have to have.
-- i like the staff but i think that Dabo and Morris are more X and O guru types that HAVE to be balanced out with some nasty, grinding, demanding position coaches who work the hell out of players.
-- i love BV but i think that Brooks, Hobby, etc. are good coaches but are not by nature fiery types.
-- the bipolar teams we put out on the field are a by product of having classy coaches, classy program, aboveboard program who does it the right way but what we need is Dawk, K. Adams, A. Simmons, MD Perry types to emerge who are good kids, not off the field clowns, but have that insane fire on the field. For some reason, we continue to recruit ridiculous athletic talent, to include Sammy, Tajh, Nuk, etc., but they do NOT have the personality to go with it, especially on defense. M. Bryant comes to mind here. Can you imagine if M. Bryant had D. Allen's personality? Sammy would risk being overshadowed by him because Bryant is an NFL receiver right now physically. AE was the same way. Great kid, low key personality, NFL success but never a team leader at Clemson. Others that come to mind are J. Jenkins, Kavell Conner, Gilchrist, and Sensabaugh. For some reason, these kids are all starting and/or playing a lot in the NFL but were never really beast at Clemson. I know Dabo puts a premium on character and i LOVE that. However, Dawk is a big time character guy, Keith Adams was, as well as many others but lately under this staff we've been recruiting a lot of talent that has low key personalities that don't lend themselves to true leadership. I love Tajh but you could look in his eyes last night and tell he wasn't a 5th year senior...he was a scared QB early in the first half and it's not the first time we've seen that.
-- our OL needs a big dose of nasty....and they don't have it. The days of the Bostics, Phillips, Farr, Bundren, Brumley, Seegars, are long gone but we are not recruiting OL who have nasty in their systems. You have got to have OL who want to destroy folks, period. You have to have OL who want to maul people. You have to recruit kids who play to the whistle and will get a hands to the face penalty once in a while. I don't want Clemson to every be a jawing outlaw program but along the way we've lost swagger that used to come along with wearing the Paw and we've tried to outskill folks. We have just as much talent on the field as the FSU's of the world. What we lack is the type of personalities who will tell other players to their faces that they aren't living up to what wearing the Paw means.
-- I think Dabo is the man for the job. He despises losing, especially like this. I'm not a pumper or a dumper, i just see what i see. I was disgusted last night just like everyone else was. I just think that we need some SOB in our DNA as a program and we haven't had that for years and years.
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Orange Blooded [2198]
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dabo and the phrase "x and o guru"
Oct 20, 2013, 5:26 PM
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should not ever be used in the same sentence. I think some on tigernet understand our O's scheme better than dabo...
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Orange Blooded [2929]
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Yet the ONLY time Dabo has neaten the Coots
Oct 20, 2013, 5:36 PM
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he was the one calling the plays. Go back and watch the game.
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Re: Yet the ONLY time Dabo has neaten the Coots
Oct 20, 2013, 5:39 PM
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wow one game! What about in 09 and 2010 when him and napier were calling plays.... I think BC knew our playbook better than we did.
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Even though that seems to be a popular position, I doubt
Oct 20, 2013, 5:39 PM
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that there are very many, if any, T-netters qualified to make that judgement. It's been repeated by enough message board experts for sure, but that doesn't make it true. I'd be shocked if there were any ######## on here that understood X's and O;s as well as our head coach.
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Orange Blooded [4403]
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spot on....the point i was making is that him and Chad
Oct 20, 2013, 5:46 PM
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are offensive guys by background. Chad is obviously and scheme/technician type of guy and you NEED that at the OC position. Dabo totally understands the offense, which by no means, is an easy one to scheme. What we lack, other than with BV, is a lot of intensity on the staff and with the players. Our DL is head and shoulders above where they used to be. We have a few there who'll play on sundays. What you do not see, and haven't seen with us is players on either side of the ball who take over the huddle and demand on each other. There is not one like that on either side of the ball and hasn't been one like that in years.
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I think Chad and Dabo are very intense, even though they
Oct 20, 2013, 6:09 PM
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aren't as animated as BV. There are tons of very successful coaches who don't have the kind of over-the-top demeanor of BV, and lots of unsuccessful ones who do. I think Tajh has been a very good leader in the huddle, but I don't know about the other side.
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"Classy". There's that word again.
Oct 20, 2013, 5:27 PM
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Like a 5-star restaurant.
Don't lose graciously, lose "classy".
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Re: 36 years of Tiger fandom here
Oct 20, 2013, 5:29 PM
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Excellent! Along with that we need a 235 lb, 5'9" bruising bowling ball for a running back. Build the line and establish the running game... and then finesse them with X's and O's.
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Orange Blooded [4403]
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totally agree
Oct 20, 2013, 5:34 PM
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we've got to recruit a big back. A kid who'd make Hot Rod be a weapon as a change of pace. We haven't had a 215 lb. runner who can move the chains with any consistency since Priester, and he played on teams that were mediocre at best. I think Dye may be the truth, Brooks is a future NFL back as well. If JD and CJ would have had a nasty OL, we'd have been in the BCS. What our teams lack, and have lacked for years, is player leadership. Bowers wasn't a leader. Gaines (RIP) was a laid back guy. Sapp was as well. Offensively we haven't had a vocal swagger type of guy other than D. Allen in years. Our QB's haven't been that way either. Blame Dabo all you want, you have got to have player leadership and an SOB mentality out of our offensive and defensive upperclassmen. I don't see it, and i've rarely seen in since the late '80's.
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Agree 100%!!!!***
Oct 20, 2013, 5:36 PM
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Orange Blooded [4027]
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Best post of the day! We need heart, passion, and leadership
Oct 20, 2013, 5:35 PM
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You said it best when you said you could see it in Tajh's eyes last night that he was shaken. I would have expected him to have the game Winston had. Granted I was too young to remember the tigers of the early 80s but I think we need to get back to that mentality. Prime example is USC. They recruit nasty, stud lineman and they've been successful. Having a Spiller or Watkins is great and fun to watch but football games are won in the trenches. Our lines were being manhandled last night! Until we fix this, we will continue to be mediocre.
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Re: 36 years of Tiger fandom here
Oct 20, 2013, 5:48 PM
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You are spot on, We have talent but no nasty. Also think a little more Jimbo in Dabo would go a long way. A little more coach over administrator.
Sorry for the double post.
Message was edited by: RidgeTig®
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All-American [590]
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Re: 36 years of Tiger fandom here
Oct 20, 2013, 5:49 PM
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You are spot on, We have talent but no nasty. Also think a little more Jimbo in Dabo would go a long way. A little more coach over administrator.
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Dabo is a great coach
Oct 20, 2013, 5:54 PM
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Look where we are as a program right now. Sure we looked awful on a very big stage last night, but we were there. This is more than most programs can say. I think the national coverage is spectacular. Even if we laid an egg. I would love to see more nasty from our boys and I'm sure our coaches feel the same. Let's not throw away what could still be a great season with a USUC victory. Go tigers!!
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i agree, if we ran Danny's offense today we'd be UGa
Oct 20, 2013, 6:00 PM
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Win 10 games a year, lose two every year that we shouldn't lose because of TO's or someone stoning us and we'd be on here bitching about opening up the offense because we'd have a million kids going to the NFL but never winning in the BCS. Georgia, is the most talented but most underachieving team in the nation year after year because of their offense. If you watch Oregon, they run basically a similar offense to us, but they run the football a lot better than we do because their receivers block like lunatics and their OL is quietly nasty if you watch them closely. I see all of their games because of where i live out here and their OL is very quietly playing to the whistle driving their facemasks in chests all day long.
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Re: 36 years of Tiger fandom here***
Oct 20, 2013, 6:47 PM
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