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This will be unlike me, but I got a little sunshine to pump
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Maybe it was because I only had to watch the first half live on Saturday, and watched the 2nd last night with preexisting knowledge of the outcome, or maybe it’s because my expectations were so low for the game that I was pleasantly surprised, but I didn’t walk away feeling that upset after watching the game.
Saw a lot on offense that we’ve been begging for:
-slants across the middle.
-increased use of the TE (still want MOAR but it was positive movement)
-shots downfield
-better OL play, particularly pass protection.
-Cade clearly working on stepping up in the pocket instead of insta-scrambles.
Those all made me pretty happy.
As for the defense, they clearly did enough to win, but I’m starting to get a sneaking suspicion that this could be one of our top 3 most talented defensive groups ever, and their sheer ability is getting it done far more than the Goodwin/Conn system. I’m not at the point yet where I 100% believe that, but starting to lean that way. Until then though, the offense has cost us more than the defense in both our losses so I’d much rather see some changes there first.
Overall though, our team looked good and the lion’s share of the oofs were coaching in nature. I’m not sure why that makes me happier than having a bunch of well-coached talentless scrubs on the field would, but it does.
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TU. Youre alright despite what others say.
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Spot on _ Even the mixed feelings of better or worse.
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Re: Bartender!
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I'll have whatever he's drinking!
Better execution would go a long way.
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I heard somebody say (Munson/Bourret, it was postgame radio)
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that turnovers this year so far have resulted in 36 points for the opponent. Several of them "scoop and score" variety or returns nearly to the goal line, as we are all painfully aware.
This alone is the difference between 4-0 and 2-2. Despite the coaching, which I acknowledge like you is a huge issue.
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Yep and CDS said we've already allowed the same number
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points off turnovers this season as we did in all of last year.
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so we're done giving up points off turnovers?
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Sep 25, 2023, 10:17 AM
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We're done giving points off of turnovers right?
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YES WE ARE.
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j/k, prolly not.
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^^^agree w/ Scooter here. There's other issues, but
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Sep 25, 2023, 10:44 AM
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turnovers, esp resulting in scores or big reverses in field position, is the number one cause for our 2 losses.
Giving Cade the option on 3rd and one was a mistake Dabo admitted. I think they just ASSUMED he wouldn't throw the WR screen. I don't really know the truth on PM and Cade missing the blitzer. And I still haven't heard anything about Dabo calling 2 timeouts and getting in Porkchops' face. Even so, our D held a purty good offense to 17 points, and those two WR's they got were contained fairly well, considering we don't have any 6'4-7" DB's
And agree w/ Obed above, the play calling and execution on offense has improved noticeably.
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Thank you for including Mickey Conn.***
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While certainly the coaching decisions didn't appear to be
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all perfect, we've been just repeatedly shooting ourselves in the foot. Over and over and over and over and over again. Simple individual errors that are causing great consequences.
Missed GD field goals, an incorrect decision made by CK on the ball thrown behind the LOS, and what was I think a missed assignment by PM leading to the sack/scoop/TD return.
Same shid at Duke.
We are there, we are playing fairly well, we are competing, and we SHOULD be 4-0. But here we are, sitting at 2-2.
Hopefully we can get it together going forward. If not, gonna be a long season.
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Non sarcastic post here: I am genuinely looking forward to
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seeing some exciting games in and out of DV this season.
With the potential - and deficiencies - Clemson has this year these could all be nail-biters:
ND and UNC @ home.
Miami and Cootalina on the road.
Been a while since we had more than 1-2 games on the schedule that were very interesting.
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You know what would be even better?
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Scalpers having to take $25/ticket for LDR tickets for those games 10 minutes before kickoff. Yee yee giddy up
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Football is a fluky sport, but at some point you have
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to ask why it has been happening so often the last two seasons and I can't help think of how the bulk of our coaching staff is inexperienced guys being promoted from within.
Portal has been discussed ad naseum but imagine he'll be at least looking for a kicker this offseason, so baby steps on using that I guess?
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couple thoughts
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coach said that 3rd and 1 in overtime was a read by Cade and he made the wrong read and should have handed the ball off, Cade indicated that he messed up there also
the fumble return was a missed assignment by a RB and should have blocked the rusher there
Cade missed some throws, remember a wide open Brinny where he would have ran for days, but Cade was getting hit alot after every throw so it was good that he was getting the ball off
Cade is improving and will probably continue to do so
the corners were left out on an island a bunch of times and got burned some so maybe you can blame coaching for that but the D as a whole played very well
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yes, very impressed with the secondary. Hoping Wiggins isn't
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out very long, although there are a lot of young talented players there behind him.
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Wiggins is probably our best player on that side of the
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ball. And unfortunately, I heard yesterday it might be an ACL. No confirmation on that yet.
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Bone bruise is what CDS said yestiddy.
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Said it was the best-case scenario. Not sure how long he will be out though.
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Dabo has been known to minimize injuries at first.***
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Cade couldn't have thrown that 3rd and 1 if you hadn't given
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him the RPO. If you want to call run, and you know you should call run, why wouldn't you call run?
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I don't disagree, and CDS said the same in his presser.
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Sep 25, 2023, 10:22 AM
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He said something along the lines of "we've got to do a better job as coaches to make sure he doesn't have that option".
That said, CK still made the bad call/wrong read.
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Yes, but it's like they were giving him a test or something
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to see if he knew the right thing to do. It's like at work, our virus protection will sometimes ask us if we think a link is safe after we click it and then verify to see if we were correct or not. Funny thing is it'll do it when we get automatic emails from our system. It's like yeah, you sent me the ####### link, I think it's safe. "Good job you were correct, it's safe."
Just don't give Cade that test in that moment. Try it some other time.
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My main takeaway from watching that is: ### was that spot?
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Looks like it should have been 3rd and an inch, maybe even a first down.
You appear to be correct. That looks to be the right read by Cade. You can tell the lb/nickel corrected at the last second but a solid block by Collins might lead to a TD.
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Re: My main takeaway from watching that is: ### was that spot?
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If Collins picks one side OR the other, it's a first down. Instead, he sat in the middle and blocked neither guy. Ugh.
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Maybe. Notice though one of the I assume safeties
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was already headed there at the time of snap. That probably didn't give CK enough time to process what he was seeing though. He was locked in on that decsion presnap, that's for sure.
Also, wrong read based on the fact that WE SHOULD BE RUNNING THE GD BALL in that sitch, IMO.
Beau Collins might STILL be looking around for someone to block, LOL.
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Its called maturity that hopefully will come with game experience.
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On 3rd and 1, CK should know that an RPO is 85%+ run _ almost an automatic run unless one of the WRs is literally uncovered.
Similarly Mafah got to know his primary blocking assignment is in 100% in coverage before executing his pass route.
Similarly Shipley / CK can’t bump into each other causing a fumble.
Execution details come with repetitions in game situations.
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Experience also comes from good coaching
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Which Cade has had a full year and a half of now, supposedly.
Again, on the Mafah play, if it’s a screen, then, no, he wouldn’t pick up the defender, by design. He’s clearly bee-lining it to get behind the line for a quick screen. As I said I don’t know if he’s running what was called (shame on Cade) or misunderstood the play (shame on Mafah).
If your QB keeps their head on a swivel though, you don’t get blasted like that from your right side——-unless you are completely staring down a receiver to your left, which is what he was doing. He stares down receivers on 80-90% of pass plays, and this isn’t the last time it will cost us if he doesn’t change that.
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i disagree on the RB missed block
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he was covering the middle of the line. Even if he saw that dude on the end, no way in hell he couldve gotten there in time.
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Well, he didn't miss the block
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because he never even tried. He missed the assignment though. He wasn't covering squat. I can assure you there was no plan to leave an unblocked defender to smash CK's bunghole.
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you gotta protect 1 portion of the field
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I'm sure his assignment was to protect the middle from any incoming.
I dont have proof but thats my theory.
Anyway, the only way he couldve blocked that guy is if he was protecting the right side. Or directly in from of Cade.
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interesting
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still dont think he couldve blocked that dude, but maybe he couldve made him go wider
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A) it should worry you that dsp is validating your opinion
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B) his own picture is making my point. Look at this and Imagine Cade 1) not staring down the receiver from the moment he took the snap (and falling in love once again with a receiver in double coverage) and 2) hitting Mafah right here for the screen pass. He would still be running, albeit slowly.
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I literally posted about 3 plays earlier
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Cade was playing great but he's still holding the ball a half second too long.
Then this happened.
Cade will learn but this was a bad way to learn that lesson.
And yes he needs to learn to have roaming eyes as well.
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I'm not sure what Cade was looking at
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and agree his head needs to stay on a swivel. A back shoulder throw the WR on the left is ON right there.
Throw a screen? You see that LB right there, right? Would have to be a looping touch pass to clear the OL/DL and either a) Mafah goes to the hospital or b) the LB picks it off and runs all the way back to Tally.
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pffffffffffffffffttttt
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I tap the x button about 10 times really fast and Mafah spin moves past that fool like nuthin.
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APM will speak on this later. Plane about to depart.
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Preview - talent ain’t the main problem and yes, offensive play calling has improved.
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Re: This will be unlike me, but I got a little sunshine to pump
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I'll agree with that and many here. We are a couple of young, inexperienced, bonehead plays from being 4-0. And I mean like, less than 5.
I mean, if you're going to fumble a ball, does it have to be a scoop and score every time? Kudos to our new kicker for hitting three hits coming in ice cold. But again, shanking a 30 yarder? We're a really good, but not great, team, who has been snakebit so far.
One thing I have noticed is a lack of pressure on the QB. Even Travis, as bad as he is, can drop dimes if he's unmolested. I don't know if it's lack of penetration on the front, or if our coaches trust our backend more and are scheming more conservatively, but I was wincing and gritting my teeth all day with the time Travis seemed to have.
I do like our young talent. Everyone I've seen on that has made it on the field has looked great, if they can stay un-injured.
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We are a couple of young, inexperienced, bonehead plays from
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being 4-0.
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I agree. We are 10 times better than the past 2 yrs imo
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at least offensively.
The sole reason for that loss was coaching calls imo.
But overall, O is worlds better im.
D is serviceable.
I'd love to see more aggression out of the D but they were good enough to win for sure.
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Now, on O. We need to push the ball more imo
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and Mafah needs to start and definitely should get all goal line calls.
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...And all without our best WR.***
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Oh, almost forgot.
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A glimmer of hope also has arisen in the form of some young WRs who look like they can actually fog a mirror if required.
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Brown is going to be a STUD
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. Stellato looked good too. Now, Collins?? He can go sit on the bench. Lazy, cuts off routes, doesn't block...and oh yeah, can't catch.
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