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Holy Hearsay Batman! The J6 committee actually having
Jun 29, 2022, 10:35 AM
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a person testify that "(Someone) said Trump tried to grab the steering wheel of the SUV" is comical.
The even better part - the media's reporting of it (acting like Trump almost made the SUV go through a group of school children or something). And then ending their "reporting" by saying - "Oh by the way, sources close to the Secret Service Agents involved say that they say it never happened." So - more hearsay...
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Tony Ornato can testify under oath as to whether or not
Jun 29, 2022, 10:47 AM
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he told her that story. Simple solutions.
My guess is that will never happen. Somebody just wanted to put out a carefully worded non-denial to give the Trumpists something to cling to.
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The US needs this committee's findings to be thorough and
Jun 29, 2022, 10:53 AM
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accurate. Introducing a witness who is spouting hearsay undermines the integrity of the investigation.
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Republicans need clear facts not colored by hearsay and
Jun 29, 2022, 10:57 AM
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unfounded claims to make up their mind about something they're certain never happened.
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DAPOTD
Jun 29, 2022, 10:58 AM
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I’ll let you figger that out ??
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DA POT calling Da kettle Oave Tatthews Dand?***
Jun 29, 2022, 11:00 AM
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WRONG
Jun 29, 2022, 11:03 AM
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Most of her testimony was first hand. She heard Trump say,
Jun 29, 2022, 11:08 AM
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for instance, in the presence of others, "Take down the mags! They're not here to hurt ME."
That doesn't fit your false narrative.
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I don't have a narrative. I just don't think it serves any
Jun 29, 2022, 11:12 AM
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purpose to have someone testify about something they didn't actually witness.
It's fine to have her testify about something she did witness (like something SHE actually heard Trump say)
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Re: Most of her testimony was first hand. She heard Trump say,
Jun 29, 2022, 12:12 PM
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Actually she said. I heard something to the effect of “Take down the mags! They're not here to hurt ME."
She heard it so good that she had to read it from a piece of paper.
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it is clear you don't know what hearsay is
Jun 29, 2022, 10:58 AM
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nor are you aware of the exceptions to rule.
That is understandable since you arent an attorney. However, the fake news you are watching/reading that prompted you to inject your comment should be ashamed for fostering such nonsense. It is also telling that the defense to this damning evidence is "That's Hearsay!"
The substantive silence is stunning.
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110%er [9694]
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I watched the hearings and then the Today show this
Jun 29, 2022, 11:01 AM
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morning.
Maybe I don't know the definition of hearsay - so just put in the word that means - "I wasn't there, but I heard..."
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Re: I watched the hearings and then the Today show this
Jun 29, 2022, 11:05 AM
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Except in this case it goes like this. He told me this story and the person that had direct knowledge was in the room also and he did not refute that the story was real.
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Is there a reason the committee can't have the folks that
Jun 29, 2022, 11:09 AM
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were actually there testify?
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Mark Meadows would be great, but he's refused to testify.***
Jun 29, 2022, 11:16 AM
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Was he in the SUV?***
Jun 29, 2022, 11:20 AM
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Re: Is there a reason the committee can't have the folks that
Jun 29, 2022, 11:22 AM
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If this were a court of law(it's not), then the defense could bring in those folks to refute her testimony. Yet in this case, we get the hearsay response from the SS which may or may not be true, while they admit that Trump was irate anyway, which is the bigger deal. Who cares if he grabbed the wheel and grabbed a SS agent, the fact that the idiot wanted to go down there after being advised not to is the big deal.
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"Who cares if he grabbed the wheel and grabbed a SS agent"
Jun 29, 2022, 11:48 AM
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That seemed to be the piece of her testimony that the media coverage I saw had really latched on to.
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Other than the Secret Service's reluctance to testify in
Jun 29, 2022, 11:44 AM
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these type situations, there is no reason. I guess we will find out if the "sources" in their carefully worded non-denial are willing to actually appear under oath in front of the committee.
I would imagine, should they agree to testify, it will open up a large can of worms. The Committee likely has a number of questions that they can testify to to either corroborate the testimony of other witnesses or refute it.
Be careful what you wish for, but I am all for it.
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I have no qualms with hearing the truth from someone who
Jun 29, 2022, 11:52 AM
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witnessed it.
I had wondered why Trump said "I'll march with you" and then he didn't go. I assumed the Secret Service had told him he couldn't go...
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The Today Show on NBC this morning called it "hearsay".
Jun 29, 2022, 11:12 AM
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Legal definitions and technicalities aside, she is repeating what she claims somebody else said. Call it what you will.
Questions for you, as an attorney... (1) How vauable would this kind of testiomony be, if it is later refuted by the person actually quoted? and (2) Why would prosecution allow second hand information like this if it had not been verified?
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Re: Holy Hearsay Batman! The J6 committee actually having
Jun 29, 2022, 11:15 AM
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Exactly, the headline, the main message NBC wanted to
Jun 29, 2022, 11:17 AM
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convey was that TRUMP GRABBED THE WHEEL AND ASSUALTED THE DRIVER!. Oh, as an afterthought, the people who were actually there deny that it happened, now moving on to our next story ...
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Re: Exactly, the headline, the main message NBC wanted to
Jun 29, 2022, 11:19 AM
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the people who were actually there deny that it happened, now moving on to our next story ...
Link to people denying it? tia
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Re-enactment of what that fateful moment looked like
Jun 29, 2022, 11:25 AM
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I think ST and I saw the same reports. The website for TODAY
Jun 29, 2022, 11:31 AM
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is a mess. But at about the 3-minute mark of this video the reporter states "which sources say has been refuted by the Secret Service" (talking about the SUV incident)
https://www.today.com/video/trump-aggressively-tried-to-join-rioters-at-capitol-former-aide-says-143060037562Trump aggressively tried to join rioters at Capitol, former aide says Former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson told the Jan. 6 committee in a last-minute hearing that then-President Trump pushed to join the crowd of his supporters at the Capitol, some of whom he knew were armed, and allegedly said, “They’re not here to hurt me.” Hutchinson also testified the former president got physical with the Secret Service when they refused. NBC’s Peter Alexander reports for TODAY.
There was a shorter report later with Peter Alexander (I think) where he ended his "OMG look what Trump did!" coverage by saying sources close to the Secret Service say this never happened.
(I actually doubt the Secret Service is supposed to say anything about what goes on behind closed doors with a President...)
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Thanks - the report by Peter Alexander is there, lumped in
Jun 29, 2022, 11:53 AM
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with their series of "BOMBSHELLS". The main takeaway from this report is, Trump bad. If the second hand allegations are true, he may be guilty of crimes. That was the gist of the reporting, the main message. Oh, and by the way, the people who were actually there, who have not been called to testify, dispute some of this testiomony. Now on to more Trump "BOMBSHELLS".
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That's not what they said.
Jun 29, 2022, 11:51 AM
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First of all, why is Tnet suddenly filled with Today Show viewers. That's downright suspicious.
But on a serious note, NBC did not say that anyone disputes it. They said an unnamed source says that they are "prepared to testify under oath" to dispute it. OK, when they do, let's see what they say!
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In MY defense - I try to watch the news from several
Jun 29, 2022, 11:58 AM
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different sources. The first 15 minutes of the 7AM EST hour of the TODAY show is one of my places I watch if I happen to be around a TV. It's actually news in that 15 minutes that leans less left than the other morning shows.
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Not one bit suspicious in my case; I often watch The Today
Jun 29, 2022, 12:22 PM
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Show because it follows our local news. I always have. Here's what Peter Alexander said:
From twitter: "A source close to the Secret Service tells me both Bobby Engel, the lead agent, and the presidential limousine/SUV driver are prepared to testify under oath that neither man was assaulted and that Mr. Trump never lunged for the steering wheel."
So, you are correct, technically speaking, they are not reporting that agents are disputing it, but that sources close to the secret service are telling them the agents are prepared to dispute it under oath.
But clearly they dispute it, else statements to this effect would not have been made. They want it known here and now, those things did not happen.
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Re: Not one bit suspicious in my case; I often watch The Today
Jun 29, 2022, 12:39 PM
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We'll know if that's right if and when they actually testify under oath. Until then, the word of the unnamed source is certainly no better than Cassidy's testimony under oath.
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