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Is there any realistic hope that Trump won't be the GOP nominee?
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Jan 17, 2024, 10:55 AM
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That's bad news for Dems, who will have a hard time beating him with Sleepy Joe, and for the 50%+ of GOP who don't want him, not to mention the MANY moderates who don't want him.
Looks like there are no reliable legal measures to keep him off of ballots, but even then he'd be written in by a large number, anyway.
I've never found myself wishing ill health on someone, but for the good of this country, that looks like the only realistic option is that he is physically/medically unable to continue. Too bad people can't come to their senses, open their eyes, and see the harm another years of Trump - or another 4 years of Biden (and DeSantis or Haley could EASILY beat Biden) - would do to our country.
I think Haley has the fire, drive, and determination to give it a great shot, but there's no overcoming the Cult of Trump, unfortunately. But if either remaining non-Trump candidate can do it, it's her. Not DeSantis.
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If the Aliens reveal themselves before
Jan 17, 2024, 11:01 AM
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the election, it could swing things. We can hold out hope for that...
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No. Too many Republicans are willing to minimize his corruption and
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Jan 17, 2024, 11:08 AM
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bend over backwards to create a false equivalence with Biden to rationalize their vote for him.
DeSantis wouldn't beat Biden. He is an awful candidate. Brad Brownell has more charisma. The more people see of him, the less they like him.
Nikki is too afraid of the base to attack him in the ways she should if she wants something more than the VP spot and a shot at the nomination in the next cycle.
Republicans have not yet learned their lesson. Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom to begin to rise up.
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It is a false equivalence.
Jan 17, 2024, 11:17 AM
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Biden is even more crooked, and that isn’t easy.
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Could there have been a more perfect example of my point?
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Jan 17, 2024, 11:30 AM
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Thanks, bruh. I tried to give you a thumbs up, but it wouldn't take.
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Only if you misunderstand my point.
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Jan 17, 2024, 11:50 AM
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I’m not voting for either. They both descend beneath the flawed personality bar that is the cutoff for my support. They’re both crooked, but I just happen to think Biden is moreso.
You’re bending over backwards to focus on Trump to excuse your inevitable vote for Biden. I’m saying they’re both at the bottom of the sociopath barrel. So no, your point about “why people will vote for Trump” isn’t really made here.
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You've actually rationalized your way into claiming Biden is worse than Trump.
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Jan 17, 2024, 11:54 AM
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Thanks again.
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You bet, anytime.
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Jan 17, 2024, 11:58 AM
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Glad to point out the glaring hypocrisy in your confidently-stated pontifications when I can.
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Re: You've actually rationalized your way into claiming Biden is worse than Trump.
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Jan 19, 2024, 8:20 AM
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I have no idea how anybody rational would get there.
I'd argue, but I've long-since learned there's no point on here. Sure, Biden's pretty much the poster boy for "careerist politicians", and he's certainly no paragon of virtue.
Trump, though...listing his crimes and atrocities against simple decency would literally take a phone book.
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Out of curiosity, is there any actual proof of Biden's corruption?
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Jan 17, 2024, 12:25 PM
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I mean, beyond congresspeople saying "Oh man, wait til you see what I've seen!", which means they don't actually have proof because it 100% would be public by now.
This is Benghazi Pt 2. Doesn't matter if it's true, repeat it enough, and it becomes truth.
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Serious question, not snark, to be clear.***
Jan 17, 2024, 12:26 PM
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Tony Bobulinski testimony? 10% to the big guy? 20+
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Jan 17, 2024, 12:40 PM
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Shell companies formed while he was VP, taking in 8 figures from Russian, Chinese, Ukrainian and Romanian sources? 6 figure payments from his brother called “loan repayments” with zero record of an original loan ever having been made? “My father is here with me” texts shaking down Chinese businessmen? A useless lump of a son getting tens of millions of dollars for things he is unequivocally not qualified for?
What are you looking for—Biden to pipe up and say “ you got me folks, would have gotten away with it if it weren’t for you meddling kids”
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I'd settle for some actual bank transactions with traceable funds.
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Jan 17, 2024, 1:17 PM
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I don't think there's any doubt Hunter was profiting off of and peddling his dad's name and rank, and I also don't doubt that he assured anybody involved that his dad was on board and engaged in the scheme (that's really the critical part of buying influence, right?). I didn't listen to/read Bobulinski's testimony in detail, but did he actually have conversations with Joe about bribery? Or is he operating off assurances from Hunter that Joe was actively involved and expecting benefits?
Do we know there aren't records of Joe loaning money to his brother (or whoever)? If those were uncovered, would we know about them, given that they would basically destroy the accusations?
Joe may be guilty af, but as near as I can tell, we don't have anything resembling hard proof, just people talking incessantly about it for several years now (like Benghazi).
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It's completely different from Benghazi, for one.
Jan 17, 2024, 6:46 PM
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There wasn't anywhere near this level of evidence for Benghazi.
Let's apply just a little common sense to the deductions here.
We aren't talking a $10k handshake here or there....again, his drug addled, wholly unqualified son was pulling in over 8 figures from multiple sources, generally all of them bad actors on the world stage as it concerns US interests, and many of them repeat payments made over time.
Again, just applying common sense, would you assume these countries would continue funneling this kind of $$$ Hunter's way if, on some level, he wasn't delivering what they were paying him for? Would you assume they pay millions of dollars for some sort of favorable foot in the door, and then say "oh I guess it isn't going to happen" if nothing were forthcoming?
Does it not seem like some fairly clear-cut quid pro quo that the Ukrainian prosecutor investigating Burisma, the company that oddly put Hunter (with zero qualifications) on their board and payroll, was summarily fired from his position solely on Joe Biden's insistence? That even the Obama state department had given Kulyk a favorable rating mere days before Joe's trip to Ukraine, and that there had been no instruction given for Biden to demand his firing?
Sorry man. There's too much here to say there's nothing or to blow it off. If you want to see why it's so slow getting anything done, crap like this is a big reason why though:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-tony-bobulinski-former-business-partner-grand-jury/
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I looked into that once and i don;t think the whole Burisma firing
Jan 17, 2024, 6:51 PM
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and Hunter actually adds up. I think that was done at completely different time periods from what i recall
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Hunter was on the board from 2014 to 2019
Jan 17, 2024, 7:03 PM
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Shokin was fired in March 2016. Seems like it worked perfectly putting Hunter on retainer, no?
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Re: Hunter was on the board from 2014 to 2019
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Jan 17, 2024, 7:35 PM
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Hmmmm, seems I recall this differently ....
"But there is a long list of Western organizations, governments, and diplomats, as well as Ukrainian anti-corruption groups, that wanted to see Shokin fired. They include the International Monetary Fund, the European Union, the U.S. government, foreign investors, and Ukrainian advocates of reform."
Here is an article from 2019....
https://www.rferl.org/a/why-was-ukraine-top-prosecutor-fired-viktor-shokin/30181445.html
Seems to me you have swallowed the bait, hook, line and sinker!
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"fired from his position solely on Joe Biden's insistence?" This isn't true
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Jan 17, 2024, 7:38 PM
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European Union, IMF, World Bank, and even Republicans in Congress all wanted Shokin gone for NOT investigating corruption and Ukranian Parliament voted to remove Shokin.
And Shokin had already stopped his investigation into Burisma, that was part of the whole reason Biden and the world wanted him gone.
Just apply a little common sense here.
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Burisma wasn't being investigated by Shokin, based on his own deputy...
Jan 18, 2024, 4:08 PM
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international agencies, Ukrainian Parliament, and bipartisan belief in Congress. The ones arguing against that idea are Shokin, Rudy Giuliani, and Jon Solomon who lost his job because of his dubious reporting practices and ties to Russian oligarchs.
At best your link proves that the US was in support of helping fight corruption in Ukraine by giving support to their government.
Let's say your version is what happened, how did Biden get international agencies, the Ukrainian Government, and MAGA republicans in Congress to go along with his plan?
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I firmly believe the tactic used in the Benghazi investigation is being
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Jan 17, 2024, 8:28 PM
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redeployed here, BECAUSE it worked so well a decade ago. Clinton was the presumptive nominee from 2013 forward, and everybody on both sides knew it. Benghazi happened, and Republicans screamed for an investigation. So they got one. And another. And another. Do you know how many total Benghazi investigations there were total? 10. TEN. TEN INVESTIGATIONS. 6 of them made up of wholly Republican committees. So, like, after the 7th investigation...what do you suppose led to an 8th, or a 9th, or a 10th? New evidence? Nope.
Kevin McCarthy explained it in no uncertain terms:
In a September 29, 2015, Fox TV interview with Sean Hannity, Kevin McCarthy, then in the running for Speaker of the House, said, "Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right? But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee. What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping. Why? Because she's untrustable. But no one would have known any of that had happened, had we not fought."[35] Many media outlets and Democratic lawmakers interpreted this comment as an admission that the investigation was a partisan political undertaking rather than a substantive inquiry.[36] McCarthy later said his comments should have been phrased more clearly and denied the investigation was overtly political.
I have very little doubt about the number of swing voters that pulled the lever for Trump instead of Hillary (who effing sucks, to be clear) largely because of the years of repeated investigations uncovering nothing new, slowly, methodically becoming truth. Truth that Hillary is a bad person who got Americans killed because of neglect or worse, malice (which was insinuated by a number of vectors). Hillary probably dogwalks Trump in 2016 without 3 years of Benghazi committees, investigations, and (negative) "news". Trump and the GOP won the 2016 election because of how effective that campaign was.
Now, ask yourself, for the years you've been hearing about how corrupt Joe Biden is...why haven't you seen simple, hard, point A to point B proof that he was on the take?
And while you're asking yourself things, how many GOP voters believe exactly what you posted in this thread, that Biden is more corrupt than Trump? You have 40 years of Trump history to draw on, and that's the conclusion you came up with?
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Simplest possible question for you.
Jan 17, 2024, 11:38 PM
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Let’s drop the Benghazi thing. I really don’t care and it’s a distraction. I’m not sure why it’s analogous to you but ok I’ll cede whatever the point is.
One question and I’ll narrow it down to just one of the companies Hunter was on the take from. 5 years Hunter Biden was in a job he had no experience or qualifications for, making an insane amount of money. You and I both agree he likely sold his connection to his dad as his foot in the door for the job. It seems that we differ after that though. Is it really, truly your assertion that they kept him around 5 years because they were getting absolutely nothing that was promised out of the arrangement? Is that really Occam’s razor for you in this scenario? You don’t think that if, as you seem to think, Hunter was a lying sack of hot air and Joe never once knew about nor intended to help, they might have figured that out in a year or so?
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So Burisma kept Hunter employed until 2019?
Jan 18, 2024, 12:05 AM
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Why didn’t they axe him in January 2017? What benefit did they get from keeping him on the payroll for 2-3 years of Trump’s term? And if you’re so determined this was quid pro quo, what was the quid? Certainly hundreds of journalists from FOX, etc, have pored over any favorable legislation, treatment, or benefits provided to Ukraine, China, or any individuals associated with those countries by Biden or the WH from 2014-16. What did they find?
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I already mentioned one in some depth earlier.
Jan 18, 2024, 12:08 AM
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Don't duck the question....what, in your opinion, did he do for them that they valued to the tune of millions of dollars over 5 years?
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I have no idea, but for at least half of the timeframe you seem to be
Jan 18, 2024, 12:48 AM
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concerned about was when Trump was in office, so...whatever the mystery benefit was to Burisma by having Hunter on their board, it wasn't coming from the VP of the United States for those multiple years. That seems like a pretty easy line to draw, no? So, BEFORE Trump was President, when Biden was VP and engaging in international bribery...what was provided to any of these bad actors? Biden wasn't paying them out of his pocket since he was GETTING money from them, so any benefits would have to be in an official, recorded capacity, like favorable policy or something. Agree? Disagree? Maybe there's an angle I'm not seeing here.
Has nobody figured this out yet? I don't know because I've never cared enough to dig that deeply into it, but I'll bet my house every bit of it has been examined multiple times by multiple people. What did Biden provide to whoever we're talking about here? What COULD a VP provide?
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Re: Tony Bobulinski testimony? 10% to the big guy? 20+
Jan 17, 2024, 7:11 PM
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None of what you posted has been proven. Evidence has been presented numerous times to Grand juries that voted to proceed on Trump. Thanks for the LOL at trying to equate Biden to Trump. But hey, keep on swinging away so I can keep LOLing. 😆
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Re: Only if you misunderstand my point.
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Only place I disagree is the sociopath part. I don't think Biden is one. Corrupt, yes. Typical career politician, yes. But I do think he has some humanity to him and doesn't lack a conscience. He's a terrible president (or, rather, his handlers are). I think there are people he cares for and he has empathy. Still just like any career politician, though.
Trump checks all the sociopath boxes. Narcissist, no conscience, no guilt for his actions, always playing the victim when he commits wrongdoing. All signs point to a classic case. And I've have an expert in this field in the family who, even though he voted for him twice, says the same thing.
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Dunno man.
Jan 17, 2024, 2:12 PM
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What he’s done to his own son (ok, what I believe he’s done to his own son) for personal gain, the showering with the teenage daughter, the naked swimming with indifference in front of female secret service agents…..fairly sociopathic.
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Re: Dunno man.
Jan 17, 2024, 2:43 PM
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I think there's a chance of perversion with Biden but that doesn't automatically mean sociopath. This doesn't mean you're wrong; just if we're comparing to Trump, it's night and day.
Some basic copy and paste signs:
No guilt or remorse for wrongdoing towards others.
Ignoring right and wrong.
Telling lies to take advantage of others.
Not being sensitive to or respectful of others.
Using charm or wit to manipulate others for personal gain or pleasure.
Having a sense of superiority and being extremely opinionated.
Having problems with the law, including criminal behavior.
Just look at Trump's behavior today.
Also, having several falling outs with people close to you is a sociopathic trait. Trump has a laundry list of this, particularly people he has betrayed.
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Re: Dunno man.
Jan 17, 2024, 4:43 PM
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Are these facts or rumors? What's this about showering with teenage daughter and naked swimming? Enlighten me.
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Re: Dunno man.
Jan 17, 2024, 6:02 PM
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Ashley Biden left her diary and some other belongings in a halfway house in Florida when she moved out. Next tenant that moved in found them, wanted to make some money, and sold them to Project Veritas, and the contents ended up being published before the Bidens filed charges and claimed the diary was stolen. NYT has confirmed the diary and writings as Ashley Biden's. Anyways, she's pondering her issues with sexual addiction, and one snippet from that said
"'I have always been boy crazy,' she wrote. 'Hyper-sexualized @ a young age ... I remember somewhat being sexualized with [a family member]; I remember having sex with friends @ a young age; showers w/ my dad (probably not appropriate).'"
The skinny dipping story came from a book about secret service coverage of various recent Presidents. I don't recall the information ever really being disputed and the guy who wrote the book had a pretty good journalistic reputation from what I recall.
https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2014/08/01/biden-swims-naked-upsetting-female-secret-service-agents-book-claims
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Re: Dunno man.
Jan 17, 2024, 6:16 PM
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The diary: I can't find anything that shows that the quote is real.
The book: Sounds possible. I don't know Mr. Kessler's reputation but I'm willing to believe his book is well-sourced. For consistency, facts like this would have similar footing as those in Bob Woodward's books on Trump, which I'm also willing to believe.
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you looked for what, 10 minutes?
Jan 17, 2024, 6:24 PM
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again, the PDF of the entire diary was published, and the NYT did confirm that it was her diary. That quote was from there. There was some other quote that was exaggerated like "I was scared of showering with my Dad so I only did it at night" that made some rounds and seems to have no basis, but that one I provided was directly in there.
Ok I guess on the Trump stuff? No argument. I've said he's crooked and a likely sociopath in this thread, so I'm not really debating him as much as showing why I think Biden is just as rotten an individual.
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Nice try Baw, but
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The diary is real, but is the quote?
Jan 18, 2024, 7:46 AM
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And honestly, he shouldn't need more than 10 minutes if that quote is real and out there. Do you have a link to the PDF of the diary or a confirmed link of the authenticity of the quote?
And we can't trust it if it comes from Project Veritas. Needs to be a real news source.
When you Google the exact quote you posted, it takes you to a bunch of fringe sites.
So far, it looks like that quote circulated on social media and hasn't been confirmed as real. Please tell me ya didn't fall for that.
You know who pushed this really hard? Tucker. Who everyone here claims to not watch yet regurgitates his ####. And we're not going to take Tucker's word for it since he's been proven to make #### up for viewership.
So, I'm gonna go ahead and get bold and say the quote is made up. But if you can link that PDF of the diary, I'll admit I'm wrong if it's there.
Maybe we should take more concern that her diary was stolen and passed around at a Trump fundraiser? I have more problems with grown ### sick men (which are most Trumpies) passing around a girl's diary for cheap political points.
If this happened to Ivanka, holy ####, I could only imagine the weeping and gnashing of teeth on here. And I think you'd be quick to slam the Democrats who did that to her.
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Bruh, dont deflect.
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Jan 18, 2024, 8:25 AM
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I think it was scummy to try to sell, buy, and publish the diary. Who was ever arguing that. If it’s released though, I’m not going to just ignore what’s learned from it because I dislike how it was released.
You can dislike Project Veritas all you want. I knew many would and that’s why I took the trouble of pointing out that the NYT verified it. Additionally the Biden’s went to the trouble of pressing charges against the seller, saying it was stolen. Seems like confirmation of its validity, no?
This took me about 90 seconds to find. Go to page 25.
https://www.docdroid.net/AHRA5wJ/alleged-ashley-biden-diary-full-release-nf-wm-rev2-pdf#page=25
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That ain't deflecting. It's a valid question
Jan 18, 2024, 8:49 AM
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And if that's the actual diary--and I'm not doubting it is, just saying the necessary "if"--then yes, that's pretty ###### up. Sounds like the family overall is pretty ###### up. So I'll concede I was wrong that the quote was made up, but really, this should be out there more with more credible sources.
What did you use to search and look it up?
So lemme go down this road: I don't know at what age she showered with Dad--I don't know that matters because that's pretty #### weird. I guess it's normal to say that's inappropriate. BUT--unless he actually sexually abused her, it seems way out of line that this get put out into the public without her consent. That's why Project Veritas can't be trusted for anything. This isn't news. This isn't groundbreaking. It's digging into personal family #### that shouldn't be aired out. They're just looking for shock value. They're no better than a grocery store tabloid.
I have personal family #### that's pretty bad (but not illegal) that I wouldn't want out there, and it wouldn't do anyone any good to have it public.
EDIT: That still doesn't fit into the definition of a sociopath. Weird AF, but not a symptom of sociopathy.
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Re: That ain't deflecting. It's a valid question
Jan 18, 2024, 10:00 AM
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This whole diary story is news to me as well, so I tried searching the internet for more info. There's enough "there" there to make the levelheaded pause and reflect. But for me, there are just too many bad actors involved to buy off on this. Project Veritas has been caught numerous times distorting stories to present a false narrative. I guess this was too hot for them to handle so Alex Jones' National File website picked up the baton and published the diary. James O'Keefe and Alex Jones are not where I want to get my news from.
The claim about the NYT verifying this is questionable too. At least I don't see it that way. Snopes.com has a couple of pages dedicated to this topic should you consider them a reliable source. They conclude that the diary may be Biden's but it's yet to be definitively proven.
That concludes my 15-minute research journey into the Ashley Biden Diary story. The fact that less salacious Joe Biden stories get much more press than this leaves me thinking that without further information I'm just going to ignore this story.
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Nah, the diary is legit
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Jan 18, 2024, 10:18 AM
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And Obed's right; the NY Times and other reputable outlets verified that it's real. I just questioned the quote.
Project Veritas is filled with lying pieces of a #### as human beings. This time they weren't lying; they're just full POS.
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Its doesnt make much difference, but heres how I
Jan 18, 2024, 10:26 AM
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Recall it going down. New rehab resident finds it, tries to go to Trump campaign. Trump campaign doesn’t want it, says “take it to the FBI”. They then solicit Veritas, who pays them $40k for it. Veritas decides not to run with it, gives it (I think) to FBI, but not before it’s leaked to a really obscure conservative website where it’s published.
Now I don’t know if it was leaked by top down instruction, or a rogue insider, but that’s how I think it happened. Details may vary a little.
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One other quote in there that really
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Jan 18, 2024, 10:43 AM
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troubles me as a parent and gives me some insight into how small a man Biden is, is in regards to her drug use.
I’m going to paraphrase here because I’m heading out the door and can’t dig it up, but it’s in there. Basically she either OD’d or really fell off the wagon hard and had to go back to rehab. When she told her dad, his words to her, as she recorded it, were basically a scolding“I’m preparing to give a major speech in a week and now I have to worry about you.”
So yes, I still contend we are splitting hairs when we are actually arguing over whether Trump or Biden is the more soulless and ethically devoid individual, and it’s not equivocation or Trump rationalization. They are both truly scumbags…Biden just has the common sense to try and put on a mask to cover it up.
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That "diary" you linked is clearly not the actual diary.
Jan 18, 2024, 4:31 PM
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It's written in a fake handwriting font. I'm sure you see that. I mean, I guess it could be a typed diary. But again: If it's real, why can't we find the real thing? Even the thing you found is called the "alleged" diary, and we don't know what that particular PDF even is.
Meanwhile, your original statement was about "showering with the teenage daughter," which isn't supported by the alleged text which said nothing about her being a teenager. There's no indication what age she was, even assuming it happened.
I've got no love for Biden and criticisms are warranted when adequately supported. But this isn't. Meanwhile, we have video of what Trump says about his daughter--and it's not close to the top reason I wouldn't vote for him.
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Ill own the teenage part.
Jan 18, 2024, 5:30 PM
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I had remembered hearing 14 as the ballpark timeframe being referenced when this was breaking, but nothing in the writing can verify that so it was an erroneous modifier on my part. Just put me in the camp that thinks it’s a laughable distinction to assign various levels of creepiness with daughter showering, whether it’s teenage years or third grade. She thought it was inappropriate as well, so I’m not imposing my biases on her.
I posted the diary I remember being posted, and it’s verified by the Times. Sorry if you don’t want to believe it, but I can live with that.
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Re: Ill own the teenage part.
Jan 18, 2024, 6:05 PM
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If Biden showered with her when she was 14, that's creepy.
On the other hand, when kids are very little it's perfectly normal to bathe them, so the question is how old she was. The options aren't 8 or 14, as you're implying.
And you don't need to apologize to me for the utter lack of evidence. I believe that you believe it.
What was the other one? Oh, the naked swimming in whatever book that was. Yeah, that's not a blip on my radar. But I'm not a hypocrite: Worse things have been said about Trump and they have nothing to do with my decision whether to vote for him.
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Tell me again how you believe the diary isnt real?
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Jan 18, 2024, 6:23 PM
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Type font? No two letters are exactly alike, and there are smudges consistent with handwritten documents. Why do you believe it’s not written?
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Re: Tell me again how you believe the diary isnt real?
Jan 18, 2024, 6:39 PM
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That's how it looked to me, but if it's real I guess she actually writes that crazy uniform. I'm a little envious, although I think when you write that neatly you're probably insane.
If the New York Times confirmed it, why not just link to that? A PDF called "alleged diary" is, at best, evidence of an alleged diary. But listen, I'm willing to just accept it's real as long as this is all we're getting from it.
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Yeah, I thought it might be a fake type font at first
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But if you look closely at the same letters different times, you can see differences.
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Re: Youre trying a little too hard.
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If you had to make me choose a side, I'd guess that the diary is real. I just can't find anything definitive, that's all. And in a world where a Biden or Trump fart gets turned into a week's long discussion on MSM, I find it odd that this wasn't bigger news. Snopes says the NYT articles imply authenticity but do not verify. Etc. And Veritas. And Alex Jones.
Chalk my answer up as: D) Not Enough Information.
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Ron Kessler. Meh.***
Jan 17, 2024, 11:23 PM
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Prison.***
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In all seriousness, he could still be on the ballots, and would still get the
Jan 17, 2024, 11:24 AM
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nomination, if that were the case. He might actually get more votes that way than otherwise.
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That's fine.
Jan 17, 2024, 11:40 AM
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Can't be president if he's in prison.
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He's STILL president, you haven't heard?***
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He actually can. Which is strange.***
Jan 17, 2024, 2:18 PM
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Re: He actually can. Which is strange.***
Jan 17, 2024, 2:24 PM
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He's already been shown to be above the law several times now. So this doesn't actually surprise me.
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Prob not. But the good part to this
Jan 17, 2024, 11:26 AM
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is that I won't even have to leave my house on election day.
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The Dems have Kamala and Newsome warming up in the bullpen
Jan 17, 2024, 11:26 AM
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If they lose to Trump … well that’s on them.
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are they planning an attack on the capitol?***
Jan 17, 2024, 11:46 AM
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I dunno ... do you know something ?***
Jan 17, 2024, 2:33 PM
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so you're saying GOD didnt give us Trump to be our overlord?
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he's not the next King David?
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who's a viable 3rd party candidate to dust this thing wide open?***
Jan 17, 2024, 11:49 AM
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Jan 17, 2024, 11:49 AM
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“Looks like there are no reliable legal measures to keep him off of ballots”
Maybe you will have a Putin or Xi soon that will ease your concerns over imprisoning the opposition.
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just waint until there is a 7-2 affirmance of
Jan 17, 2024, 11:53 AM
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keeping that insurrectionist off the ballots.
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Re: ###
Jan 17, 2024, 12:03 PM
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Not talking about imprisoning him simply because of his beliefs. Just saying that with all the indictments and such that have been thrown his way, none of them would keep him off the ballot.
There are other options between nothing and the extreme, ya know.
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The indictments.
Jan 17, 2024, 12:13 PM
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NY indicted him over a law that has NEVER been used. Then the actual JUDGE is saying that Mar-a-lago is worth $20M (which is a fkn joke) and any paper that states otherwise is proof of "fraud". lol
Jack Smith's indictment came from a grand jury that was conviened in the WRONG JURISDICTION.
Fanni is colluding with the DOJ and the WH over charges in GA.
Indicted over documents that the following also had in their possession: Obama, Clinton, Pence, Bush, Biden, etc.
Hate Trump all you want, but "keeping him off the ballot" over this absolute trash is exactly what dictators do.
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Not a Nikki Haley fan, but wouldn't she do better in the general than Trump
Jan 17, 2024, 12:23 PM
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against Biden? Why would Biden want that?
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Lighten up, Francis
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I'm just asking a hypothetical question that is there anything that could legally and reasonably get him off the ballot. I'm not into the FBI doing all the crap they did and all the conspiracy theories and such. Just asking what, if anything, could keep him off the ballot. Not saying that the government should keep him off or anything. You're right - that's what a dictator would do. Kinda what the Dems have been trying to do.
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It would be fantastic if...
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He not only went to prison, but he spent the rest of his life there, and you had to whine about it.
He's a horrible person and a criminal and deserves prison.
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2 tiered justice system will make sure he never does a second in jail***
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You mean what Trump has been promising to do for the past
Jan 17, 2024, 12:27 PM
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3 months? That?
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Re: Is there any realistic hope that Trump won't be the GOP nominee?
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Unless Haley can win in NH, it’s over. Even then, she won’t even come close to winning her home state of SC, which is way more mainstream MAGA than NH. RD may hang in until SC, but I think his days are numbered as well.
So, barring some unexpected good luck, like his plane going down or something, Trump will be the nominee.
I suppose there’s also the outside chance that he is convicted and/or imprisoned, but even if the party were to disqualify him, his ego will not allow him to sit quietly by and he will run 3rd-party. This would ensure a Biden win, but he wouldn’t care as long as he burned the entire pub party down in the process. I know this would make several of you happy as well.
If either DeSantis or Haley end up endorsing Trump when they drop out, they will be dead to me going forward. So far, very few pub politicians have shown the courage to disassociate from Trump. Much respect to Christie and L. Cheney for at least saying what the others won’t.
All of this is to say…if I lived somewhere it mattered (SC, so it won’t)…I would vote for Biden.
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Re: Is there any realistic hope that Trump won't be the GOP nominee?
Jan 18, 2024, 9:46 PM
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If Manchin decides to run with the no label party and adds a likeable VP candidate, feel that would draw a significant number of independent votes away from the Dems and GOP. Trump especially needs a large number as the base isn't enough. A couple of polls have indicated at least 65% don't want a Biden - Trump redo. Also will be interesting if RFKjr gets any traction. Problem for me is the inabiliy to understand half what he says. Don't know what happened to his voice.
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