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2 big plays after watching the film
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Sep 23, 2023, 9:19 PM
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The WR screen..... Cade 100% made the right call. We had 3 WR to their 2 DBs. There was ZERO effort by Collins or Brown to do anything that resembled blocking. Watch the film. They just let them walk right by. That should have been a TD.
The sack for 6.... Mafah did exactly what he was supposed to do. RBs look inside out and was keyed on the blitzing MLB. When the blitzing MLB was picked up by the O line, he went out on a route. The sack was a safety lined up over our receiver in the slot right. If anything, its on Cade for not seeing that blitz coming but overall, it was a well-timed blitz against a slow developing play.
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Wrong. But nice try
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Sep 23, 2023, 9:20 PM
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Orange Blooded [2470]
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Re: Wrong. But nice try
Sep 23, 2023, 9:21 PM
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What was wrong?
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Re: Wrong. But nice try
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Sep 23, 2023, 9:23 PM
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What was wrong? You posting this. How dare you go against t-net. The experts on this board know more than you and our coaches. They all played JV basketball
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Re: Wrong. But nice try
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Sep 23, 2023, 10:12 PM
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Intramural basketball, thank you…
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Didnt need a risky play. Needed 1 yard for
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Sep 23, 2023, 9:23 PM
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A first and milk clock. Mafah never even looked right he looked straight and to left. His first top priority is to pick up blitzer coming like a torpedo. Protect your QB.
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Re: Didnt need a risky play. Needed 1 yard for
Sep 23, 2023, 9:26 PM
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Mafah keyed on the blitzing middle lineback.... that's how RBs are taught to pick up blitzers (inside to outside). Watch the film.... It just so happens that the blitzing LB was picked up beautifully by our O line so he went out for a route.
Mafah played that perfectly..... a blitzing safety that is lined up over a receiver is on the QB.
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Re: Didnt need a risky play. Needed 1 yard for
Sep 23, 2023, 10:39 PM
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1.Even Dabo said Mafah missed his blocking assignment.
2. I don’t particularly have a problem with the throw. If we had been stuffed up the middle for a loss, people would have been complaining that we should have thrown it. I agree with your assessment on the WR blocking effort. That unit definitely looked much better today but the WR blocking was still not very good. There were several times that plays could have went several more yards but for lackluster blocking efforts
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Re: Didnt need a risky play. Needed 1 yard for
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Sep 23, 2023, 9:28 PM
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I hear you on game situation.... That's on the playcaller, not on Cade. Cade played the called play perfectly and it should have been an easy TD if Brown and Collins would have given one ounce of effort on blocking.
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Re: Didnt need a risky play. Needed 1 yard for
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Sep 23, 2023, 9:39 PM
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Yeah, I said this earlier when I went back and looked at both plays. Hence my post said it was on coaching. Bad design. On the sack fumble, the first coach mistake was called on 1st down and giving it to Mafah who was gassed. Plus they ran right into the teeth of their strength.
Then as you laid out, a slow developing play on down 2. The only time we should give cade a slow play is out of a 2 back set. Trevor or dw4 would have recognized that blitz.
2nd, Blake could have shed his block and picked up the blitzer and yelled to cade fire fire. Communication and coaching.
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Re: Didnt need a risky play. Needed 1 yard for
Sep 23, 2023, 9:46 PM
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I did not see your post, but great breakdown.
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Re: Wrong. But nice try
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Sep 23, 2023, 9:43 PM
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1 yard!!!! Run the ball!!!! Thats whats wrong, dont overthink it.
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Re: Wrong. But nice try
Sep 23, 2023, 10:04 PM
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Dabo even said Mafah missed the block.
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Re: Wrong. But nice try
Sep 23, 2023, 10:25 PM
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Where did he say that?
And if he did, then shame on him because the coaches didn’t put him in position to block a blitzing db
How’s he supposed to do that on a play action?
No way no how
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Re: Wrong. But nice try
Sep 24, 2023, 4:47 PM
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Once you said Cade made the right call on the 3rd and 1 screen pass in OT your whole argument was null and void. There should be no RPO on 3rd and 1 in OT period. You hand it off period.
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Youre right Cade has got to start recognizing blitzs and pressure***
Sep 23, 2023, 9:22 PM
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Youre right Cade has got to start recognizing blitzs and pressure***
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Sep 23, 2023, 9:22 PM
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Re: 2 big plays after watching the film
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Sep 23, 2023, 9:40 PM
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Great post
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What kind of projector do you use?***
Sep 23, 2023, 9:52 PM
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Re: What kind of projector do you use?***
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Sep 23, 2023, 9:54 PM
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VHS tapes only here....
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Re: 2 big plays after watching the film
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Sep 23, 2023, 9:57 PM
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It was well dialed up play. Cade thought anything coming from Mafahs side was good, Mafah is the one looking for potential blitzers on that play he probably should have scanned outside the tackles before releasing but honestly its nit picking. It was a good play call for FSU and unfortunately this year all the bounces have gone against Clemson.
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Re: 2 big plays after watching the film
Sep 23, 2023, 10:03 PM
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Good observation! It was a delayed safety blitz. Cade had it right in front of him. Had plenty of time to get rid of the ball.
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Cade was 100% wrong to throw that WR screen
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Sep 23, 2023, 10:04 PM
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It was a run call with the option to screen. He lost situational awareness and made his normal read while neglecting that we were in a short yardage situation. Thats why you see Dabo on the sideline screaming “1 yard!” at Cade after the play. Wish he would have reminded him of that before the play, but hindsight is 20/20.
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Re: Cade was 100% wrong to throw that WR screen
Sep 23, 2023, 10:33 PM
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Or Dabo could have called a run play? You teach a kid how to run the rpo and to throw the screen if he has numbers....well he did. Stupid play call for that situation.
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Oh, I agree
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Sep 23, 2023, 10:39 PM
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This is only his 5th start I believe, so you have to be crystal clear on your playcalling in such a crucial situation, not leave it up to his decision making.
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Re: 2 big plays after watching the film
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Sep 23, 2023, 10:32 PM
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Mafah needs to be aware enough to pick up the corner blitz or at least aware enough to release toward the 20 yards of open space the blitz created.
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Re: 2 big plays after watching the film
Sep 24, 2023, 12:41 PM
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The only thing Dabo said about that play was there was miscommunication with the protection... he did not say Mafah blew the protection. If an audible was called at the line in the protection, and Mafah had outside responsibility, then it is on Mafah, but like I said numerous times RBs protect inside to outside. The blitzing MLB was his first key and that blitzing MLB was picked up by the O line.
When a RB is in protection, and there is no threat and/or that blitzing player is picked up, it is their job to release and give the QB another check down option.
If a safety that is lined up ten yards wide of the box over a slot WR does a delayed blitz... that is on the QB (and the WR) to call a hot route. The QB needs to recognize that and throw it to the WR that should break off their route since the guy covering them is blitzing.
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Nope
Sep 24, 2023, 12:57 PM
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You're on an island here. Everybody and the head coach referenced this missed protect by Mafah. He didn't do his job when the line and play were bleeding left. His first and only priority was to do excatly what he did not do. I had a football coach in my living room jump out of his chair and replay the whole thing for me, said they preached this coverage over and over to their high school players, it was very basic. The announcers on TV also explained it well, and Dabo himself referenced it.
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Re: Nope
Sep 24, 2023, 4:46 PM
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I did not see that.... I saw FSU with 3 down lineman and 2 LBs. The 3 DL rushed, the MLB blitzed, and the line slid left except for Blake Miller that went wide right to get the DE. If the whole line slid left, why did Blake Miller go to the right? And if it was a check at the line to slide left with Mafah protecting the right side, Miller missed coming off the DE to pick up the blitzing safety and Mafah would have had outside leverage and should have hit the DE that Blake Miller came off of to pick up the safety on the delayed blitz.
Mafah was keyed on the blitzing MLB who was eaten up by the OL b/c we had 5 guys blocking 4. His next move since the blitz was picked up is to release into the flat to give CK a check down.
The delayed blitz was from a safety lined up over our slot right WR. It was a slow developing play, he waited then looped in underneath the FSU DE that went wide and was taken by Blake Miller.
Seeing a delayed blitz from a safety 10 yards outside of the box lined up over a WR is on the QB.... It was about 4 seconds after the snap to the hit which is way too long for a QB to hold onto the ball.
Was there communication errors? Absolutely like the WR not breaking off their route when the guy covering them is blitzing. There could have been a check in protection at the line that Mafah had missed, but I am pretty sure it was not a protection audible to watch out for the safety that was lined up over a WR split out to the right.
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Re: 2 big plays after watching the film
Sep 24, 2023, 1:42 PM
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100% the right call?
Will Shipley just had ran 8 yards and was our bell cow all day.
We had 2 downs to get 1 yard. No, you do not throw it there. You see if your RB can mimic the very previous play, and if not you draw up a good 4th down play.
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Re: 2 big plays after watching the film
Sep 24, 2023, 4:40 PM
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So what you are saying is it was a bad play call by the OC. The play that was called (RPO) was executed perfectly by CK.... When CK lined up and counted the men in the box and then counted the number of defensive players lined up to defend our 3 WRs split out left, he executed the called RPO as he should have.
If Brown and Collins would have given one ounce of effort blocking the 2 DBs lined up across from our 3 WRs, it would have been a touchdown.
PLEASE WATCH THE PLAY and look at the effort Brown and Collins gave blocking.... it was the worst display of blocking I have ever seen by a WR.
It should have been a TD.
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Re: 2 big plays after watching the film
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Sep 24, 2023, 4:49 PM
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The fumble for 6 and the miss chip shot fg are the only 2 plays. OT shouldn't have even happened. After the big Mafah run, he should've been checked out for Shipley and slowed the game down. Run the clock and score anything on that drive and it's game.
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