
Friday January 13, 2012
Friday E-Mail Bag
Friday E-Mail Bag
Each Friday I publish your comments and answer your questions. To submit a comment or questions please e-mail me at mickeyplyler@hotmail.com.
Mickey,
Dear Board of Trustees,
I am certain you were as embarrassed for Clemson as I was. I think we will all carry that loss with us for some time. Hopefully from the shame you will see the need to stay the course with changes in our football program until division one elite program status is achieved.
It appears there may be changes coming in the form of a new defensive coordinator, strength and conditioning coach and offensive line coach who will work more closely with Coach Morris.
Please support Coach Swinney if he decides to go in a new direction with these positions. Please do not let “family ties” keep us from improving. The bold coaching changes and commitment to facility upgrades made last year paid off. We now must continue the process. 20 years of ACC championship failure cannot be changed in one year.
Best Regards,
Scott
Scott,
Thanks for sharing. I think the board is behind this program more than than they have been for many years. I think they have a better understanding of what it takes to commit to the program now. Coach Swinney has met with several of them in the last year and those meetings made a difference. Clemson football has more support now than it has in many years.
Mickey,
This is not that hard to figure out, First of all, we have needed a new strength and conditioning coach for years. We have always had good overall strength (due to bench pressing and all the other things that body builders do), but we have never ever had functional strength and a offensive or defensive line that can burst off of the line of scrimmage. How do all these other teams do it against us with less size and talent? It is because they are more functionally sound when it comes to explosion and functional strength. The gamecocks hired a new S&N coach 3 years ago that uses the same techniques and for all 3 years, they have destroyed us on the line of scrimmage. I just hope that we make the right decision and make a change for our S&N. There is a point where change is needed, and I respect the #### out of Batson but I think the game has changed a lot since he started. Also, obviously we need to make a change at D Coordinator. College football and even football in general should not be so complex. There has to be someone that can develop players and have better success on the field. And I also think that tackling should be allowed in every single practice. You practice to win, and to win, you tackle your opponent. That's all.
In response to today's blog
Does not matter what "star" you are Mickey. If you have horrible coaching ( in the sense of 18-20 year old kids) then it doesn't really matter. How has Boise and TCU been so successful? It is because they have the best coaches in both technique and strength and conditioning to overcome what the "big boys" get in "star players". That is why we are letting Steele, Batson and one other partake after this year. Coaching means more to a kid than his "Star" value.
Michael
Michael,
I don't know enough about the strength and conditioning program at Clemson or other places to comment. I am not qualified to comment on that subject. I disagree about stars. They are not the most important but the reason Alabama won the national title is because they recruited a bunch of four and five stars on defense, especially in their back eight. I think recruiting is still the most important aspect of a program. I think the best players win most of the time.
Mickey,
I read your article today, "No Defending the Defense" today. First, let me say we should not give the offense a pass on their performance in the Orange Bowl. However, the defense was just horrible. I can't imagine how Dabo Swinney can come to any other conclusion than his need to replace Kevin Steele. Just as Billy Napier was not going to be the architect of a new offense, Kevin Steele cannot be the architect of a revival of our defense. He often takes "full responsibility" for problems with the defense, using words to that effect. However, repeatedly we only hear he is responsible. We have yet to see the result of his claims that he will fix it. Regardless of how many freshmen we play and how many people we lost following the 2010 season, the most glaring problem was simply that we did not get better on defense this season. You would think we would improve after thirteen games. We could only stop one team, Virginia Tech., because they ran out of a Pro Set. If Kevin Steele remains our DC, then I will have to tell Dabo I am no longer "All In." "All In" cannot be a one-sided description of fan loyalty. It has to be reciprocated by the head coach by doing the things necessary to make the team better.
Best,
Kirk
Kirk,
I think Thursday's actions probably answered your question about Steele and the future of the defense. I am not sure I need to add anything to that.
Hey Mickey,
Do you think the downward trend of the ACC will continue? It has been going downhill for several years now. The league looks really bad compared to the time when the ACC the top conference. In the past the whole conference would have 10-15 losses in the non-conference part of the schedule if that. This year the ACC has 51 non-conference losses and even Duke and UNC have 2 each. It is really a top heavy conference unlike the glory years. thanks!
Steve
Steve,
I think the problem has been coaching stability. There has been so much turnover in the league from a basketball standpoint. I like the hires at Virginia, Georgia Tech and Boston College. I think they will be better but it takes some time.
Mickey,
I have seen Tigers play since the mid 60's. That said, have seen bad offenses and bad defenses. All blamed on coaches bad personnel, the weather, the referees and everything else. All this will pass and things will improve. We were not beat by 70 but by 37. Can you check and see when the last game we played, we were beat by 37?
Russ
Russ,
November 4, 2000 Florida State beat Clemson 54-7 in Tallahassee.
Hi Mickey,
On Monday you blogged that Clemson’s football program is “headed in the right direction”. I’m not sure if you meant relative to last year, but if you meant relative to the Bowden years, I wonder if it just seems that way because the ACC is so far down.
* The ACC was 0-9 against non-conference teams that finished in the AP Top 25.
* The ACC was 2-6 in bowls. (5th straight losing season.)
* The ACC was 0-2 in BCS bowls. (2-13 all-time).
* The ACC champ got disgraced 70-33 by the Big East champ (5-2, Big East).
* The ACC Coastal champ got beat by Big Ten Legends runner-up (not champ).
* The ACC finished last among the 6 BCS conferences in Sagarin rankings.
(In the previous 10 years, the ACC ranked, reverse chronologically, 4, 4, 3, 5, 5, 4, 2, 1, 1, 4.)
I’m happy that Clemson finally won 10 games and the ACC. (Big monkey off the back.) But when you play 14 games, 10 wins isn’t what it used to be. And (based on Sagarin) Clemson won the weakest ACC in a decade, in part by catching FSU when their star QB and several of their best players were injured. On the other hand, there were 11 ACC teams that didn’t win the ACC and 98 teams below Clemson in the final AP poll.
Clemson’s offense was better than the latter Bowden years, but the defense was far worse—hence Steele’s ouster. Clemson remained so inconsistent & upset-prone that “pulling a Clemson” became cemented into the nation’s sports lexicon. Clemson finished #22 in the AP, but Bowden finished #22 or higher 4 times between 2000-2007.
So 3.5 years after Bowden, is the program any better or just fortunate to take advantage of a down ACC and a down FSU? Isn’t Clemson still a too-soft, inconsistent team that recruits really well, but then gives up more than its reasonable share of upsets to teams with clearly inferior talent (like GT & NCSU), but now, unlike the latter Bowden years, Clemson also gets whupped badly by teams with comparable or inferior talent (like NCSU, SCar & WVU)? (Hopefully a new DC will change that. I posted supporting links to the 2011-opponent 2-deep talent comparisons on Tuesday’s blog.)
I enjoy your blog. Keep up the great work.
Best regards,
RazzMaTazz
RazzMaTazz,
You make a good point about the ACC but I couldn't care less about the rest of the league. Clemson did not win the league when it was bad for the last 20 years. I like winning the ACC and don't care who we have to beat to do it.
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Now, the ultimate nail in Mickey's "don't care about the rest of the league" speech. The SEC was awarded two spots in the national title because the tools in charge do care about the rest of the leagues.
If they go to a plus one format, rest assured that the SEC will get at least two of those spots, if not three, for that very reason. It didn't cost Clemson this year, but we could be Okie St. very soon. Of course, the ACC is at least 5 years away from any special treatment if it got really good tomorrow.
Posted by Battery505 on January 13, 2012 at 12:26 PM EST #
Battery505: Much like Boise State gets high rankings for running a weak conference schedule, I think that ACC teams get over-ranked from playing a soft ACC schedule-- which lulls us into a false sense of accomplishment that comes crashing down when play non-conference games against decent competition.
Over the Bowden/Dabo years, Clemson is 1-13 vs. non-conference teams that FINISHED in the AP Top 25:
2011: 0-2. #9 SCar, #17 WVU.
2010: 0-2, #1 Aub, #22 SCar (with a loss to USF).
2009: 0-1, #6 TCU.
2008: 0-1, #6 Bama (with a loss to Nebraska).
2007: 0-1, #15 Auburn.
2006: 0-0, (With losses to SCar & UK.)
2005: 0-0
2004: 0-0, (With a loss to TxAM.)
2003: 1-1, Loss to #7 UGA. Beat #15 Tenn. Yay!)
2002: 0-1, #3 UGA (with spanking from TxTech).
2001: 0-1, #13 SCar.
2000: 0-1, #6 VT.
1999: 0-2, #2 VT, #13 MissST.
Dabo is 0-5. Bowden was 1-8.
Competition makes everyone better.
Posted by Razzmatazz on January 13, 2012 at 02:54 PM EST #
Mickey,If recruiting was all that mattered, The ACC would be the 2nd best conference...Only the SEC has had more players drafted recently. I was at the Bama game in 08, I saw the physical difference between their 4/5 stars and ours...You can't attribute Bama's success to just recruiting.Miami and Florida wouldn't have been garbage this year if recruiting was the most important piece of the puzzle...
Posted by CM Shack on January 13, 2012 at 05:17 PM EST #
Wow. Razzmaspazz finds a way to unrinate on anything that Clemson has ever done! 10 wins? NOT GOOD ENOUGH. ACC Title? NOT GOOD ENOUGH. 14 Overall ACC titles? NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
Razz- Would love your take on our National championship , our overall record against the coots, and Frank Howard and Danny Ford in general. I have a bet with a friend that you can make all of that sound bad and NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Why dont we go pull up all the tombstones by the practice field if a ranked road team we beat didnt end up ranked that year beacuase the tombstones are NOT GOOD ENOUGH. News flash- we arent leaving the ACC and we are playing 2 SEC teams per year for most of the next few years. But wait- thats NOT GOOD ENOUGH. If Clemson is so god-awful and sucks so bad all the time and has never, ever done anything good why dont you please go jump on someone elses bandwagon so you can feel better about things? I hear Bama has some room and the coots are always taking on new fair-feathered fans...
Posted by 1962Tiger on January 13, 2012 at 05:51 PM EST #
Tangerine Bowl 2002 55-15 loss to Texas Tech. In several ways it was a worse beating than this Orange Bowl.
Posted by jrconnolly on January 13, 2012 at 06:01 PM EST #
Tangerine Bowl 2002 55-15 loss to Texas Tech. In several ways it was a worse beating than this Orange Bowl.
Posted by jrconnolly on January 13, 2012 at 06:01 PM EST #
Pessimism on a roll. We're doomed!
Posted by GrayBengal on January 13, 2012 at 11:47 PM EST #
1962Tiger: Above I provided a lot of data to support my view. Apparently, you have no countervailing data so you retort with juvenile vulgarity, insults, and irrelevant nonsense about switching allegiance from my beloved alma mater, ripping up tombstones, etc. That’s lame.
In the Danny Ford era Clemson was a great program. For example, Clemson’s 12-0, 1981 team (in addition to beating #9 UNC) beat 2 non-con teams that FINISHED in the AP Top 20: #6 UGA & #11 Nebraska. In that year alone, Clemson had more such Top 20 wins than Dabo & Bowden had in the last 13 years combined. Overall Danny was 5-7 against teams that finished ranked in the AP poll. Dabo is 0-5. Bowden was 1-8. See the difference?
I'm an '84 grad. I was there when we were great. I just want Clemson to be great again. Perhaps you don't care if Clemson is great or you can't see how far we've fallen since the Ford era. It saddens me that Clemson fans feel that way, but I respect your right to do so.
Posted by Razzmatazz on January 14, 2012 at 02:21 AM EST #
1962Tiger: In answer to your question, our HISTORICAL dominance over SCAR's HISTORICALLY weak program is great. But in case you haven't noticed, they hired a HOF, national championship coach, with 7 conference titles and 9 SEC-East titles, while we hired a wide receivers coach. Consequently Spurrier has transformed that HISTORICALLY lousy program into a strong one, and has whupped Clemson 3 straight. (Based on the returning personnel, I'd say it's likely that a 4th straight loss is coming our way next season.) But hey... Don't look at the current state of the programs. Just rest easy with history books to comfort you.
Winning the ACC and getting whupped by decent teams outside the ACC is NOT GOOD ENOUGH for me. Is it GOOD ENOUGH for you?
Posted by Razzmatazz on January 14, 2012 at 03:14 AM EST #
Mickey,
Why did you dodge my question on the S&C program at Clemson as well as at other programs. I know you have to have some knowledge on this. If Dabo's statement is correct and Batson is one of the best in the nation, what will he say next year when we get beat on the LOS by less talent and size?? I believe this has been an issue for years now and has only really been released by the public eye. I know you have to have some kind of input on this. You sure do in other areas of the program with your inside knowledge. Just be honest, that's all I ask.
Posted by TigerJustin23 on January 14, 2012 at 08:19 PM EST #