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Thursday July 05, 2007

Death Valley

Death Valley
In October of 2004 I made a tremendous mistake. I picked against Clemson in Death Valley two straight weeks and after Clemson defeated Maryland and NC State in those games I swore I would never underestimate the power of Death Valley again.

In my opinion Maryland was better than Clemson that season but the odds makers made the Tigers a three-point favorite. Clemson was 2-4 coming into that game and proved it could not run the ball against anyone. The Tigers were a mess offensively and had turned into a turnover machine. However, the defense played inspired football and the Death Valley showed its teeth that day. I think the crowd had as much to do with the 10-7 win as any player or coach.

The following week I did not learn my lesson as NC State came to town as a one-point favorite. I knew the Wolfpack had a high powered offense and I did not see how Clemson could outscore NC State. The Tigers picked apart Reggie Herring’s man-to-man pressure defense with crossing routes and slowed down his blitzes with a great screen package. Still in the end it was the crowd that willed the Tigers to a great fourth quarter defensive effort to hold onto a 26-20 win.

The 2004 team went just 6-5 but they won five of their last six and went 5-1 at home. In fact it was a great crowd that helped the Tigers to a 37-30 win in double overtime in the season opener against Wake Forest and an unbelievable atmosphere in the 29-7 win in the season finale victory over South Carolina.

That season taught me a lesson about Death Valley. I grew up watching the Tigers in the mid-seventies and throughout the eighties where Memorial Stadium was considered a pit. I was there for the Notre Dame game of 1977, maybe the loudest game of the decade. I remember when Virginia Tech came to town and the Hokies had to be backed off of the ball several times because they could not hear the signals. Many say Clemson’s Death Valley helped change the rule in college football to where the crowd had to be quiet enough for a team to be able to run an offensive play. The place rocked whenever Georgia came to town in those epic battles. I truly believe that Maryland was beaten before the game started in the balloon release game of 1983.

To me the true power of the place is when Clemson comes in as an underdog at home. That is when the power of the building takes full effect. In the Miami game of 2005 it was the game when noise was felt instead of heard. My old bones could feel the place. The same could be said for the 2003 Clemson win over Florida State. When you walked into the stadium that night it felt different. The Seminoles were a 17-point favorite but left shell-shocked in a 26-10 upset. How many times are the odds makers 33 points wrong?

Speaking of odds makers, do you realize that Clemson is 5-1 the last six games when they came into the game as a home underdog? Those wins were over Virginia and FSU in 2003, NC State in 2004, and Texas A&M and FSU in 2005. The only time the Tigers have lost as a home underdog during that stretch was a 36-30 triple overtime loss to Miami when the Tigers were seven point dogs.

You have been there so you can see why I have so much faith in Death Valley. But the truth is Clemson has lost two of its last three in the sacred stadium. An uninspired effort in a 13-12 loss as a 19-point favorite against Maryland and a 31-28 loss as a five-point favorite to South Carolina have me wondering if I have too much faith in the power of the Valley.

Is Death Valley special? Where does it rank among the toughest places to play in college football? In my opinion atmospheres are the difference in games only when the talent level is close. For example you can’t just look at a team’s record at home and say if it a great atmosphere. Florida State had a great record in Doak Campbell for years but the main reason is because they were so much better than the opponent in most weeks.

I believe that Clemson can be mentioned in the same class as LSU, Florida and Virginia Tech. Georgia and Tennessee can be very good. Auburn can get rocking during big games. The only place in the Big Ten that belongs in the conversation is Penn State. Texas A&M used to belong with this group. I am told that Oregon is tough but would have to see it to believe it. In fact I would put Arkansas in the top ten before Oregon.

My list of the toughest places to play in college football would go something like this:
1. LSU (but only at night)
2. Florida
3. Clemson
4. Virginia Tech
5. Georgia
6. Auburn
7. Tennessee
8. Arkansas
9. Texas A&M
10. Penn State/Oregon
Yeah I am biased and yeah the Southeast dominated the list but I would welcome your list if you wish to submit any thoughts.

What got me on this subject was Labor Day night. I have yet to study FSU’s returning talent and both teams have so many question marks. I don’t know how the snaps at quarterback will be divided at Clemson. I keep hearing how Jimbo Fisher is the greatest coach in the history of the game. FSU fans want to put him in the same class as Lombardi and Landry but I am not sure what effect he will have on FSU’s offense in his first game. I don’t who will be healthy by the time the game rolls around. In fact I have many more questions than answers at this time.

The only answers I have right now are the time and place of the game. They tell me that it will be played in Death Valley and they tell me it will be at night. Before I can take time to get the answers to the above questions I have to go only on what things I know. At this time I have to believe that Death Valley is more powerful than Jimbo Fisher.



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Comments:

MP---You underestimate the Horseshoe in Columbus---Ohio State. Very loud and intimidating place. Moreso than VT & Arkansas.

Posted by <a href=http://tigernet.com/view/profile.do?id=1564>bbrown cren</a> on July 05, 2007 at 08:36 PM EDT #


EVERYONE stop with the Lane Stadium hype. It is a great place, but with 66K even at their loudest (while exciting) it simply does not compare to the big boys. Again, great atmosphere but no way 4th in college football. Been there several times, top 15 at best.

Posted by <a href=http://tigernet.com/view/profile.do?id=24528>truetiger1998</a> on July 05, 2007 at 09:00 PM EDT #


I was unimpressed with VT's crowd as well. It could have been the cold rain that threatened all night but they were not as loud as USC in my opinion... definitely not UGA. IT also depends on where you sit, of course. That said, I cant see anyplace being louder than Death Valley during that Miami game. Clemson would really rock if we had more evening games as well. You can talk about the advantage our team has in the sun etc, but the advantage DV would give you at night would be MUCH greater! IT's hard to yell when you're sucked dry by the second quarter due to the heat.

Posted by <a href=http://tigernet.com/view/profile.do?id=1046>90Orange</a> on July 05, 2007 at 09:54 PM EDT #


I was at the Notre Dame game and the Maryland game that you mentioned. Both had electric atmospheres. Maryland had Boomer Esiason, but they never stopped our running game and we put up 50+ I believe. What I remember the most about the Notre Dame game, besides the fact that it was a great game, was that Dan Devine got 2 unsportsmanlike conduct penalties.

I've been to games at Georgia, Georgia Tech, Tennessee and Billy Brice, and in my opinion, the Valley is the best, although Georgia and Tennessee are not too shabby. Outside of the Valley, I like Georgia Tech the best. Their stadium is not as big as the others I mentioned, but for some reason I like the atmosphere there. Their fans are by far the least obnoxious of the other places I mentioned, but the passion is more evident at UGA and UT.

Posted by <a href=http://tigernet.com/view/profile.do?id=35191>gotigers72</a> on July 06, 2007 at 04:05 AM EDT #


This has got to be the most southern skewed list of all time. Notre Dame? Ohio State? Michigan? Nebraska? Iowa (their visitor's locker rooms are pink for crying out loud!). I love ACC and SEC football, and I think it's the best there is, but Big Ten and Big 12 football fans are comparably rabid on gamedays. You can't just give the top 9 spots to southern schools and leave the 10th spot to be split by the rest of America...

Posted by <a href=http://tigernet.com/view/profile.do?id=65282>Taxlawtiger</a> on July 06, 2007 at 10:04 AM EDT #


I was at the 1980 VIP (VIrgina Tech) game and I know the Clemson crowd won the ballgame that day. It was homecoming and the Clemson alumni were not about to allow upstart VIP win in Death Valley. Great game to watch and participate! However, loudest game I have been to was the 2005 Miami game. Loudest win is a tie between '87 Georgia and '01 USuC. Go Tigers!!!

Posted by <a href=http://tigernet.com/view/profile.do?id=51953>AII</a> on July 06, 2007 at 10:18 AM EDT #


I have witnessed a couple of loud games in my years at the Valley. But, unless the list is only picked from that school's loudest games, I don't think we deserve to be on it. Sure, we get up and get loud for big games, but we also empty the stadium when we play smaller opponents and games that carry no meaning. I was at the 2005 Miami game and I couldn't even hear my wife who was sitting next to me, but I've also been at games where I could talk to someone on the other side of the stadium. If we could get every game to feel like the Miami game, then maybe we'll start getting the national recognition that we think we deserve.

Posted by <a href=http://tigernet.com/view/profile.do?id=9899>WakeBdr</a> on July 06, 2007 at 10:41 AM EDT #


When Willie Underwood made that interception in 80 against the Lamecocks,I actually think that was the loudest I ever remebered.Long time ago but I know I never had a bigger DV Rush,although he didnt score as the crowd thought,it wasnt long till we heard it againat the start of the 4th qt.On that day after the 27-6 upset people were on top of their cars in Easly at traffic lights,dancining the shag ----good times ---remember?

Posted by <a href=http://tigernet.com/view/profile.do?id=58923>MBIGTIG06</a> on July 10, 2007 at 12:44 AM EDT #


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